New evidence suggests Stone Age hunters from Europe discovered America

[MHz]

The salinity of the water would have been somewhat higher also making boats more efficient no matter what the design. Sails would be enough to hydrofoil might be stretching it. Creating a permanent thunderstom just behind the boat might not be stretching it.

 

[damngrumpy]

Well the people of Africa supposedly populated Europe son anything is possible I guess.
The Truth is we don't know the definitive answer and we may never know. The fact is
there were people here in the past few hundred years and the European invasion meant
they simply took the land from those living here and caused all kinds of problems that
we are dealing with today.

 

[MHz]

I would think the ones alive back then would see it as them having the bigger problem with the consequences of the westward expansion of the 'boat people'.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

It was unlikely there was a mass migration, but occasional trips for sure by advanced groups. There is a huge amount of archeology that needs to be done here and many wish to suppress this sort of information because they are old fashioned, traditional, and not interested in learning. Progress rolls over the little people.

 

[L Gilbert]

Although the evidence of multiple migrations is mounting, we still have barely scratched the surface of how long humans have lived in the Americas. In spite of what the genome project says, I think humans have been living here for at least 100 thousand years.

Think what you want. There's no evidence of any homo sapiens having gotten further than southern Asia 100,000 years ago. Our nearest relative H. Neanderthalensis only reached northern Asia and eastern Europe.

Doesn't the 'land bridge just mean there was a shoreline to follow with some boats, the oceanic currents still should have traveled from Japan to the west coast of Canada and all the way down to South America.

Yep. People used to travel along the edges of ice sheets.

 

[bill barilko]

Think what you want. There's no evidence of any homo sapiens having gotten further than southern Asia 100,000 years ago. Our nearest relative H. Neanderthalensis only reached northern Asia and eastern Europe.

Hueyatlaco is an archeological site in Valsequillo, Mexico where sophisticated human-made tools were discovered in geographic strata that multiple peer reviewed studies have dated to ca. 250,000 ybp (years before the present).

 

[L Gilbert]

Hueyatlaco is an archeological site in Valsequillo, Mexico where sophisticated human-made tools were discovered in geographic strata that multiple peer reviewed studies have dated to ca. 250,000 ybp (years before the present).

So, I might be wrong about evidence.
There have been a handful of various human subspecies throughout history. The earliest homonids reach back to the late miocene era. Those relatives of ours were Australopithecus. It's certainly possible for more than one subspecies to have existed around the planet if our particular subspecies started in southeast Africa.

 

[Spade]

The scientific paper arguing a date closer to 11500 BP. Remember, Wikipedia is not peer reviewed.
JSTOR: World Archaeology, Vol. 38, No. 4 (Dec., 2006), pp. 611-627

 

[L Gilbert]

Doesn't matter. Researchers are always finding new artifacts and stuff anyway. Someone could state something today and then overnight new evidence could be found that shows the person to be wrong. Like I said, it's no big deal. My knowledge is limited because I have only a mild interest in anthro.

 

[Nuggler]

Doesn't the 'land bridge just mean there was a shoreline to follow with some boats, the oceanic currents still should have traveled from Japan to the west coast of Canada and all the way down to South America. Walking would have been slower and slower means more food and with ice some two miles tall it could have come right to the waters edge. Get really drunk (sleep lots) on a raft for 10 days and you would almost be there, no coming back though.

Might be news but the ancient guys were smart enough to not walk around packing rocks. When they needed one they picked it up, if they had a 'favorite handle' they would use it, toss the rock away, carry the stick to new location some many miles way and then they would find another rock that they could tie to the handle.

History tells us some walked the land bridge, although with the big ice, would have been a challenge.

I wasn't there so I dunno if they "packed rocks" or not. Seems to me, if I had a neat rock tied to the end of my favourite stick to form my favourite club, damned if I'd throw it away. One would have to kill something to get sinews to tie on a new rock.

My great great great great great great............etc....................grandads club still sits above our mantel. Worth $29.95 on Antiques Roadshow.

Life's good, eh.:naka:

 

[darkbeaver]

You don't understand how science works, if you disagree with the academic consensus. Let's review what we know for fact, we all like to eat chocolate so we obviously originated in Belgium, two hundred millions years ago when Greenland was covered in a rich dark layer of fudge.

 

[L Gilbert]

You don't understand how science works, if you disagree with the academic consensus. Let's review what we know for fact, we all like to eat chocolate so we obviously originated in Belgium, two hundred millions years ago when Greenland was covered in a rich dark layer of fudge.

Ahhh, more "electric universe" theory.

 

[SLM]

Ahhh, more "electric universe" theory.

Is that like quantum theory but with more mind altering narcotics?

 

[L Gilbert]

Is that like quantum theory but with more mind altering narcotics?

Pretty much, yep.

 

[SLM]

Pretty much, yep.

Cool, that's what I thought.

 

[L Gilbert]

Cool, that's what I thought.

Dim rodent is well-versed in it.

 

[Cliffy]

Terence McKenna on Mushrooms - YouTube

 

[MHz]

Is that like quantum theory but with more mind altering narcotics?

It was called 'band practice' at my school.

 

[L Gilbert]

Terence McKenna on Mushrooms - YouTube[/url]

lol Just like that vid you posted in that other thread about him being a very interesting mind..........rationalising doing drugs. Funny stuff.

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

The native attack of the week has come. A few weeks ago we were talking about the
Asians who crossed the land bridge to North America and at that time the natives were
from there. I wouldn't be surprised to see the next headline stating the natives came
from the last migration from Mars.
For those engaging in looking for the roots of the natives you are going to have to do
better than this.

A very anti-intellectual reply. New ideas? Whoa, ot here. Just chew the fat and think about the same old things and plod along. Don't want my little world to be challenged, can't have that. Not too many Canadians worry much about the roots of aboriginals, likely because they aren't that interesting as the modern world has passed them by.