New Bill Could Make Bush President For Life

Curiosity

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I thought we were discussing it, but I fail to see what unsubstantiated "what if" dialogue will do in the process of
constructive thinking.

Even in your last remark about the last two U.S. elections, you neglect to offer citation as to the original Bill which will not now, nor ever make it though.

Now you are adding other matters to your concerns such as fraudulent election process.

Where is the beef in your challenges?

My first post here in response to JJW1965's concerns were legit and I thought sorted the matter out for him and now you. Your rebuttal offers no facts other than your opinion - and your concern is valid - if the facts are in fact, facts. :wink:
 

Ocean Breeze

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Reverend Blair said:
Misguided and clueless would be the way to characterize those who aren't concerned about this coming up. There have been serious questions as to the results of the last two US elections, or had you decided that didn't matter either?

The message implicit in trying to write this off as nothing but hype and to denigrate those that would discuss it is that we should all just shut up like good little robots.

GOOD posting rev. Maybe the problem is that there is so much "media hype" about so many issues that some cannot sort out what is real hype and what is actually being discussed as a possibility. No one said that this was coming into fruition. Anyone that has assessed the character of the bush cabal, would see that this is exactly what he would like. Whether he gets it or not is another story. Don't count on the mainstream media to provide any factual information about this. Then again......the bush followers , would most likely endorse this. Therein lies the rub.
 

Curiosity

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You say: GOOD posting rev. Maybe the problem is that there is so much "media hype" about so many issues that some cannot sort out what is real hype and what is actually being discussed as a possibility. No one said that this was coming into fruition. Anyone that has assessed the character of the bush cabal, would see that this is exactly what he would like. Whether he gets it or not is another story. Don't count on the mainstream media to provide any factual information about this. Then again......the bush followers , would most likely endorse this. Therein lies the rub.

I hardly think I am a "follower" if I research my facts. I am only asking that others do the same.

Bush cabal? Sounds like some goth movie.

Are you actually stating here that there is a new Bill in Congress to repeal the Amendment? Where is this - and I hardly think the MSM can report on Congressional Bills which have passed with other than fact.

While the MSM love to submit "the barn is burning down" stories matters of Congressional Record are reported with dull honesty.

When and where did this Bill actually pass??

I think it is healthy to question things written, do you expect everyone to follow the same path in agreement? Then what would be the purpose of a forum inviting political issues to be discussed.

I again propose as I did earlier the Bill will not, nor ever pass and it was suggested by the Clinton administration, not the Bush administration, introduced last February and it will either languish and die or be committee'd to death plus it will take at least seven years for it to pass, thus nullifying Bush's third term which was the original question - and that is fact. Verifiable fact.

Is there a Canadian Cabal I should know about? I would love to join it.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Bush cabal? Sounds like some goth movie.

hmmm. you have a point. :wink:

(that yrs of the current bush administration (regime) has been like a very bad movie. (goth or not).. :wink:
 

Curiosity

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Ocean Breeze...

Please don't get exercised to the point where you lose reason.

We haven't fired a shot yet! There is still hope. :roll:
 

Just the Facts

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Re: RE: New Bill Could Make B

Reverend Blair said:
Misguided and clueless would be the way to characterize those who aren't concerned about this coming up. There have been serious questions as to the results of the last two US elections, or had you decided that didn't matter either?

The message implicit in trying to write this off as nothing but hype and to denigrate those that would discuss it is that we should all just shut up like good little robots.

Not at all. If you want to discuss elections being rigged, go ahead. I don't think you'll find much controversy about the wrongness of rigging elections.

Repealing a law that forbids someone to run for office has nothing to do with rigging elections. Do you think Bush himself orchestrated rigging of elections? Do you think he's the GOP mastermind? Do you think those who actually did the rigging (if there was any) give a rat's tail whether George Bush is the figurehead, or whether it's Jeb next time, or Cheney, or someone entirely new?

Your response illustrates my point perfectly. Asking me what I think about corrupt elections has exactly nothing to do with the topic at hand, which is the repealing of the 22nd amendment.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Ocean Breeze...

Please don't get exercised to the point where you lose reason.

We haven't fired a shot yet! There is still hope. :roll:
:roll: :roll:
 

Steve French

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RE: New Bill Could Make B

Sounds about right.
Bush does everything else in the Hitler model of totalitarian fascism so this only seems logical. His Mein Kampf is 'My pet goat' indicating his belief that all people are merely domesticated herd animals that only exist to be exploited.
 

Curiosity

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Ocean Breeze

My apologies - my humor was poorly chosen! The very idea we can discuss from points afar and still discuss, is good. We may be a great example to other countries in the world where anger can exist within peace and diversity.

I really think too much is being made of this Bill. While it may have merit to allow a person who is of younger years to try again for
another run at the Presidency, I would prefer it be broken into two different time periods with another incumbent between.

The length of time anyone running the country longer than two terms could turn into something akin to dictatorship.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Wednesday's Child said:
Ocean Breeze

My apologies - my humor was poorly chosen! The very idea we can discuss from points afar and still discuss, is good. We may be a great example to other countries in the world where anger can exist within peace and diversity.

I really think too much is being made of this Bill. While it may have merit to allow a person who is of younger years to try again for
another run at the Presidency, I would prefer it be broken into two different time periods with another incumbent between.

The length of time anyone running the country longer than two terms could turn into something akin to dictatorship.

no problem. (apology accepted, but not nec. :wink: I see this as a debate......sometimes emphatic and stimulating......and NOT PERSONAL.

agree about too much being made of this situation......as it is not something being actively debated or considered. (at least not obviously) I think the "contention" might be "bush for life" as opposed to running again. don't think that would happen. The terms of the presidency have been defined.

(sorry , if I seemed a tad rude........... :oops:
 

Curiosity

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Ocean Breeze

Not rude at all!

Being new, one tends to be more careful not knowing the members and their styles of writing.

I will probably make many mistakes along the way.
 

Reverend Blair

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Yeah, I know. There are tons of "real" bills, so what? Does every bill get passed?

The time to oppose bills is before they get passed.

In Canada?

Yes. In Canada. The country where Emery lives, started a political party, and ran his business openly. He even paid taxes here.

Emery broke the law in the Untied States, they have the right to prosecute him under their laws. Now I'm not saying it isn't extreme, but he still broke the law.

They have a right to prosecute him if he goes to the US. He didn't do that though. He was arrested in Canada for breaking US law. It is the equivalent of us charging US citizens with gun crimes under Canadian law if they never set foot in this country.

Then I said "how is this different from what is happening now?" Then I went onto ask you if (in your opinion) Canada wasn't already aiding and abetting war crimes in Afghanistan. SEE?

While I have many questions about what Canadians troops have been involved in in Afghanistan they have been under the direct control of the United States. Once the initial fighting was over, our role was described mainly as one of peacekeeping. That seems to changing. Or haven't you been following this story either.

What am I defending, exactly? What movement?

Your attempts to denigrate the story, and those who think it is important, are an attempt to defend the Bushites whether you realize it or not.

What would you think if called something you were concerned about a lot of hype, giving the impression that anybody who shared your concern was possibly a little feeble-minded?

If Canadians commit crimes in the United States, they have the right to prosectute. Just as we have the right, but probably shouldn't, right?

So we should demand the arrest of any gun dealer we suspect of selling a gun that ended up in Canada?

Seems they are already taking orders, our brass is doing what their brass tells them. And our guys already have a history of war crimes to their credit.

Do you have any facts to back that up? The last war crimes Canadian soldiers were involved in resulted in those soldiers being charged and their unit being disbanded.

I thought we were discussing it, but I fail to see what unsubstantiated "what if" dialogue will do in the process of
constructive thinking.

Your "discussion" pretty much amounted to saying that it wasn't important and there was no point in discussing it.

Even in your last remark about the last two U.S. elections, you neglect to offer citation as to the original Bill which will not now, nor ever make it though.

Now you are adding other matters to your concerns such as fraudulent election process.

Since this would allow Bush to run again and there are serious questions about fraud in the last two elections he was involved in, concerns about election fraud are very relevant.

My first post here in response to JJW1965's concerns were legit and I thought sorted the matter out for him and now you. Your rebuttal offers no facts other than your opinion - and your concern is valid - if the facts are in fact, facts.

I see no facts in your posts, just your opinion that this isn't important enough to discuss, at least for Canadians. You asked why we should care and I answered. You didn't like the answer. Tough titty.
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: New Bill Could Make B

Steve French said:
Sounds about right.
Bush does everything else in the Hitler model of totalitarian fascism so this only seems logical. His Mein Kampf is 'My pet goat' indicating his belief that all people are merely domesticated herd animals that only exist to be exploited.

I just read an item that indicated he runs the nation/ world like a ranch. so this would fit. :wink:
 

zenfisher

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Said1 said:
This sort of stuff is eaten up by Bush haters - hyporamma. Perhaps you should explain why it isn't, hype. Perhaps you could explain why any presidential hopefuls would actually sign a bill giving Bush the job until he croaks, makes no sense. We're not talking Freedom Fries here, we're talking about very powerful people giving up any chance they have at running for president for a very long time.

Hmmm... Of the last four Presidents three were former Governers. Governers are not allowed to vote in the House of Representitives or the Senate.Thus , although there is a slim possibility for hopefuls, if they were truly ambitious, they would run in the state legislature. ( The exception of the Prez's is George the first...who was a Vice President first.) This would mean(at the present time) that both houses would have a vested interest in keeping George II in office.
 

I think not

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Re: RE: New Bill Could Make B

Steve French said:
Sounds about right.
Bush does everything else in the Hitler model of totalitarian fascism so this only seems logical. His Mein Kampf is 'My pet goat' indicating his belief that all people are merely domesticated herd animals that only exist to be exploited.

Intersting,

Does that include outlawing firearms ownership?

Has Bush proclaimed that he demands land and territory to settle the American population?

Did he forget to enact a law that only those of American blood, whatever be their creed, may be Americans?

Non-citizens may live in the US only as guests and must be subject to laws specifically for aliens?

Firing squads for Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals?

Has he demanded the nationalization of all businesses?

Has he declared any religion to be a threat or offend the moral feelings of the American "race"?

The central idea of fascism was, that people should be 'bound together' into a single organic unit of which the administrative apparatus of the state and the mass of people are directed by a charismatic leader who literally incarnates their spirit.

If Bush is anything at all, first and foremost he is devisive.
 

TenPenny

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jjw1965 said:
A House bill has been introduced that would change the 22nd amendment and enable George Bush to remain President for the rest of his political life.
Needless to say this is like the Enabling Act, which allowed Hitler to officially declare himself dictator.

Click here for actual house bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

Click here for the Enabling Act
http://cghs.dade.k12.fl.us/holocaust/enabling.htm

The bill would allow a President to serve more than two terms; that isn't the same as allowing Bush to remain President.
 

ElPolaco

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There is no need for the PNAC or any other group happy with the current direction of the country to keep W in past his 8 years. They can easily continue the neocon agenda with any other politician. Sure, it will take some more public relations effort to create another personality cult that will unite all the various segments of right wing amerika and be supported by a majority of the people, but they have the means to do it.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: New Bill Could Make B

They like Bush though, ElPolaco. He is the very definition of a useful idiot. His only real strong point is his loyalty...they know he won't turn on them. Unfortunately that makes him even easier for them to control.

You're right though...they don't need this. They can install Bush's brother in 2008, or find some other shill. As long as the Democrats are still trying to be the Republican-lite, even if the official PNAC candidate loses they will still exert an incredible amount of influence.