NEED NEW REFORM PARTY
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There is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia that I have ever considered reliable. However,to contend gay behaviour is normal is wrong. I don't care what consenting adults do behind closed doors,that is your business.Sure 3% of the population are different in thier desires than myself,hell it is probably closer to 80%,but I have never said my desires or fetishes are normal and should be accepted. If you think that washing dung off your penis after making love is normal,you probably accept FGM. Why not,5% of the world population do it,it must be normal.
I was not contending that homosexuality is normal. If that were the case we would have some reproductive problems as a society. A degree of abnormality and deviance are not one and the same. There are plenty of business practices which are "normal" but under the scope are actually deviant, and also vice versa. I am an atheist, which is not the norm, but I am not a deviant. There are many behaviours that historically were considered deviant, but that term has been revamped and as a new social study is quite different than the traditional use of the word.
queer and present danger
There is plenty of evidence. Only yesterday Accurtacy in Media 2/november published an interesting article. You can also check out how the main deviant groups embraced the vile NAMBLA outfit until they needed to pretend respectability.
See LifeSite Sept.2002, extract enclosed below
'A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia. The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations. '
Or check out what Dr. Kempling has collated in B.C.
These 'gays' - who are usually far from gay and often vicious, should be swept back into the closet. And the door locked.
There is plenty of evidence. Only yesterday Accurtacy in Media 2/november published an interesting article. You can also check out how the main deviant groups embraced the vile NAMBLA outfit until they needed to pretend respectability.
See LifeSite Sept.2002, extract enclosed below
'A new study by Dr. Timothy J. Dailey and the Washington D.C.-based Family Research Council recently confirmed what police and psychiatrists have known for decades: a definitive link exists between male homosexuality and pedophilia. The report entitled Homosexuality and Child Sexual Abuse, shows that while homosexual men make up less than three per cent of the adult male population, they commit a disproportionate number (one third or more) of child sexual molestations. Dailey's report is being sent to parents, youth groups, school administrators, Catholic bishops, and religious organizations. '
Or check out what Dr. Kempling has collated in B.C.
These 'gays' - who are usually far from gay and often vicious, should be swept back into the closet. And the door locked.
Well, at least we agree on something, though I think that's the only true statement in your post.
Really? You can say that, given all the things we know about false convictions? Steven Truscott, David Milgaard... The judicial system does not always arrive at the truth, and to kill somebody based on a process we know can be flawed is unjustifiable and inexcusable.
You think that makes secularism illegal? Your understanding of the law is deeply flawed.
That is completely and utterly false. Provide the sources that prove that inflammatory claim. There are no such links in legitimate research, paedophiles are usually heterosexual outside their fascination with children.
Explain to me if you can why I shouldn't just dismiss you as another ignorant far right lunatic.
Perish the thought, the last thing we need is yet another ultra right wing political party in this country!
Interesting you should say that....it seems to work both ways, but only really works for the truly "new puritans".
http://calsun.canoe.ca/News/Columnists/Byfield_Ted/2006/10/15/2032134.html
I completely agree with you Jay. It is unfortunate when speech is censored like that. However, that doesn't make the oppression, that many homosexuals are put through, okay. Whatever happened to pleasant, centrist, freedom loving, policy?
Why do members from either side need to force others to behave in the manner they find befitting?
Why do members from either side need to force others to behave in the manner they find befitting?
We do not need another reform party!!!!!!!!
I feel I am stating the blatantly obvious point, but having another right wing party to split the right vote will only re-guarantee the Liberal dynasty that has owned this country for far too long. Harper is in a delicate balancing act and cannot push too far one way or the other until he has a majority and people see that the Liberal fearmongering about him was just that. Let the conservatives build a name for themselves and gain the publics trust. Only then can they affect real change.
Why is gay marriage such an issue? Who cares?
Economy, defence of our arctic, criminal justice reform and immigration reform would be much more pressing issues.
I feel I am stating the blatantly obvious point, but having another right wing party to split the right vote will only re-guarantee the Liberal dynasty that has owned this country for far too long. Harper is in a delicate balancing act and cannot push too far one way or the other until he has a majority and people see that the Liberal fearmongering about him was just that. Let the conservatives build a name for themselves and gain the publics trust. Only then can they affect real change.
Why is gay marriage such an issue? Who cares?
Economy, defence of our arctic, criminal justice reform and immigration reform would be much more pressing issues.
We need a lot fewer parties. Unpopular platform is always going to win with party faithful when the votes against are split between four or five (excluding independents) other names on the ballot.
Wolf
Wolf
I disagree. If anything we need more parties; more points of view. But that requires election reform. It can't work with the FPtP system.
Point of view is a great thing. Sticking to it is another. More choices split popular votes so the guy with the worst platform gets in - even when popular vote blew him right out of the running. Three is great. One to keep the other two honest.
Wolf
There are actually some issues of the reform party which I think would serve Canadians quite well. We're seeing some of these issues raised by Harper, and I think things like fixed election dates and upper house reform are worthy of some attention. Another issue which Manning was passionate about I believe is equally deserving, free votes. That requires no constitutional amendment, and for issues which are particularly fractured across the country, it would serve the Federation well if voters sentiments could be conveyed in a meaningful manner.
Recently Mannning commented on the idea of activist judges, and I think he was bang on. The problem with 'activist judges' actually originate in Parliament. Particularly on issues where moral convictions are involved. If the legislation was written so the intent and scope were more clear, that is without the gaps, it wouldn't be left to unelected judges to try to interpret what the intent is. Clear communication would solve alot of these issues.
Recently Mannning commented on the idea of activist judges, and I think he was bang on. The problem with 'activist judges' actually originate in Parliament. Particularly on issues where moral convictions are involved. If the legislation was written so the intent and scope were more clear, that is without the gaps, it wouldn't be left to unelected judges to try to interpret what the intent is. Clear communication would solve alot of these issues.
That's the point of voting reform. With a different voting system, the popular vote is reflected more accurately.
These two are the most popular alternatives to the FPtP system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proportional_representation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_Transferable_Vote
Well lah-de-dah, you're writing a book! We wait with baited breath for your wisdom!
Whatever do we need a new Reform party for? The last one was quite horrid enough, thank you.
Originally Posted by morfiny
Somer of us are at a loss to account for Harper's Folly. He has over recent years slapped down sensible sounds from Toews, Gallant and many another, on the evils of the Supreme Court, on the nonsense of 'gay' rights, on the death penalty and on bilingualism.
Sure, he is now a minority leader in Ottawa, but he even ruled out using 'notwithstanding' to save Canada. He promotes the pinkest elements and ignores where he came from.Meanwhile B.C. leads the way over the Gadarene Slope of deviant indoctrination in schools, with polygamy looming, then no doubt incest and pedophilia 'read into' the damned charter by the robed rogues.
We need a real Reform.
I live in exile far from my home town in Ontario and I quail at what has happened to our once-proud Christian Dominion. I'm even writing a book.
I voted Conservative last Fed election.
I sincerely hope that people like the above are an ever dwindling minority.
We need to purge people who think like this from the party as fast as humanly possible.
These kind of attitudes could and would spook most normal people right back into the arms of the "Natural Ruling Party".
The Gov needs to get the heck out of peoples personal lives.
And it needs to get way way the heck out of peoples bedrooms(consenting adults please).
Separation or church and state is a must.
There is far to much hard work to do:
rooting out waste,corruption and incompetence.
Providing fair, honest and efficient Gov is a huge job.
Falter at this task and I for one will change my vote in a heartbeat
Somer of us are at a loss to account for Harper's Folly. He has over recent years slapped down sensible sounds from Toews, Gallant and many another, on the evils of the Supreme Court, on the nonsense of 'gay' rights, on the death penalty and on bilingualism.
Sure, he is now a minority leader in Ottawa, but he even ruled out using 'notwithstanding' to save Canada. He promotes the pinkest elements and ignores where he came from.Meanwhile B.C. leads the way over the Gadarene Slope of deviant indoctrination in schools, with polygamy looming, then no doubt incest and pedophilia 'read into' the damned charter by the robed rogues.
We need a real Reform.
I live in exile far from my home town in Ontario and I quail at what has happened to our once-proud Christian Dominion. I'm even writing a book.
I voted Conservative last Fed election.
I sincerely hope that people like the above are an ever dwindling minority.
We need to purge people who think like this from the party as fast as humanly possible.
These kind of attitudes could and would spook most normal people right back into the arms of the "Natural Ruling Party".
The Gov needs to get the heck out of peoples personal lives.
And it needs to get way way the heck out of peoples bedrooms(consenting adults please).
Separation or church and state is a must.
There is far to much hard work to do:
rooting out waste,corruption and incompetence.
Providing fair, honest and efficient Gov is a huge job.
Falter at this task and I for one will change my vote in a heartbeat
Actually, I'm surprised that there aren't more people like Morfiny. Mr. Harper has marched the new PC's about as left as they can get without falling over the other side. Frankly, if I were a Conservative supporter, I'd be right pissed off.
As it is, while I support conservative fiscal policies, I don't trust the Cons to keep their word on social issues. Not to mention, I see Mr Harper's change of stance on those same social issues as a complete lack of integrity. I mean, these are the guy's core moral beliefs and he has no problem just throwing them to the wind so that he can get more votes for his party.
What kind of a person does that?
Oh that's right, a politician. :roll:
As it is, while I support conservative fiscal policies, I don't trust the Cons to keep their word on social issues. Not to mention, I see Mr Harper's change of stance on those same social issues as a complete lack of integrity. I mean, these are the guy's core moral beliefs and he has no problem just throwing them to the wind so that he can get more votes for his party.
What kind of a person does that?
Oh that's right, a politician. :roll:
If Harper had moved to the right of where he started the cons would never get elected. Canada is a liberal country, get use to it.