NDP Leadership?

[B00Mer]

Any NDP'ers here??

Who do you think should be the next Leader of the NDP and why??

My vote is for Nathan Cullen...

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[skookumchuck]

leader has to be from Quebec or your toast. You are also fighting an uphill battle if the leader IS from Quebec IMO.

 

[WLDB]

Topp. He's from Quebec and has been in the back rooms for a long time. He knows how things work. Probably a good tactician, like Harper. As for never having been elected to the HOC, well, neither had Jack Layton at the time. Also Brian Mulroney hadn't held any office before coming in as leader of the PCs and was quite successful.

Cullen I like for his willingness to do deals with the Liberals, I don't know if the Liberals are open to that though.

I really hope Mulcair doesn't get it. Ultimately I think any of them would be better than Turmel.

 

[JLM]

It's possibly a moot matter anyway. I think after all the dust settles, the N.D.P. seat count will probably drift back to 35-40 seats. The country can't afford them.

 

[Colpy]

Topp. He's from Quebec and has been in the back rooms for a long time. He knows how things work. Probably a good tactician, like Harper. As for never having been elected to the HOC, well, neither had Jack Layton at the time. Also Brian Mulroney hadn't held any office before coming in as leader of the PCs and was quite successful.

Cullen I like for his willingness to do deals with the Liberals, I don't know if the Liberals are open to that though.

I really hope Mulcair doesn't get it. Ultimately I think any of them would be better than Turmel.

Topp is far too ideological.....and has never worked at a real job in his life.

Cullen has the best "Kill the Cons" plan, but the Libs still believe they are the Natural Governing Party.....so that (thankfully) ain't gonna happen.

Mulcair, despite his slightly loony forays into conspiracy theory, has both the flexibility and the cojones to give Harper a run for his money.

Just a Conservative's opinion......

Now bets on how many seats they lose in 2015???

 

[WLDB]

Topp is far too ideological.....and has never worked at a real job in his life.

Same could be said for Harper, but he seems to be doing all right for himself.

Well, unless you cound his brief stint in a mail room.

 

[Colpy]

Same could be said for Harper, but he seems to be doing all right for himself.

Well, unless you cound his brief stint in a mail room.

I actually agree Harper can be somewhat too ideological.....witness mandatory sentencing, the war on drugs, etc.

But wow, a hardcore ideologue from the left is a very scary thought to those of us concerned about fiscal responsibility and liberty.

 

[Spade]

The right and liberty are oxymorons.

 

[damngrumpy]

Turmel was the person chosen because she could keep the party together long enough
for them to pick a leader without massive infighting. The problem I have with the NDP
is it is taking too long to get a leader. Yes there is lots of time before the next election
but they should have had a leader by the end of November. Beyond Jack, they didn't
have a leadership person in mind.
Nathan is a guy who I think could grow on people and I think he has a chance at the job.
Mulcair will not end up the leader and the more Topp opens his mouth the less of a
chance he has to win. Nope a BC leader will emerge because the BC contingent has
the best organization. In addition Quebec will stay with the NDP for a while at least through
the next election. Quebecers give second chances and the don't stampede to another
party on short notice. The gave the Bloc nearly twenty years and they will stray a bit but
not a massive swing.
The party needs youth in this case more than anything else. If you are an older party which
the NDP is, you have to demonstrate a youthful image while sticking to defined policy and
direction. The NDP had neither before Layton took over but they have a clear direction now.
The Liberals are the ones now trying to find a reason to exist and the Conservatives have
peaked in popularity. Harper is embarking of policy that leaves him very vulnerable.
Older people don't like the kinds of changes he is thinking about, I am one of those grey
haired folks and I don't like his direction one bit.

 

[Colpy]

The right and liberty are oxymorons.

Ahhh...please consult your dictionary and your guide to English grammar.....

 

[Spade]

Ahhh...please consult your dictionary and your guide to English grammar.....

Sorry, arbeit macht frei?

 

[Vanni Fucci]

I actually agree Harper can be somewhat too ideological.....witness mandatory sentencing, the war on drugs, etc.

But wow, a hardcore ideologue from the left is a very scary thought to those of us concerned about fiscal responsibility and liberty.

Interesting that you would consider the Harper government to be fiscally responsible and protectors of liberty...more cognitive dissonance from the unrepentant, life-long conservative...

In this political climate it makes little to no sense to a be life-long anything...

 

[Colpy]

Interesting that you would consider the Harper government to be fiscally responsible and protectors of liberty...more cognitive dissonance from the unrepentant, life-long conservative...

In this political climate it makes little to no sense to a be life-long anything...

I don't consider the Conservatives to be either fiscally responsible nor defenders of liberty in general terms.

I do consider them to be more so than either of the alternatives.........a sad state of affairs.

I have not been a life-long Conservative.....I started my voting career way back in the day as a NDP voter.

Federally, I have voted for five different political parties.

Sorry, arbeit macht frei?

Somehow, I doubt you spent much time in Auschwitz.

My point was you should figure out what an oxymoron is before you go labeling phrases.

"Deafening silence" is an oxymoron (singular), "deafening" and "silence" are not oxymorons.......

Thus endeth the English lesson for today.

 

[mentalfloss]

But wow, a hardcore ideologue from the left is a very scary thought to those of us concerned about fiscal responsibility and liberty.

That's an unfortunate stigma and there's no proof that someone from the so-called right is any more capable of fiscal responsibility or liberty. Aside from the liberty of guns (woohoo), the current right caucus isn't libertarian nor is it proven to be fiscally responsible - despite what Flaherty might sell to you.

I don't consider the Conservatives to be either fiscally responsible nor defenders of liberty in general terms.

I do consider them to be more so than either of the alternatives.........a sad state of affairs.

Ah, sorry, didn't get to this post, lol.

I say give the NDP a chance. They appear to be more moderate, especially if Mulcair becomes dear leader.

They certainly have no blood on their hands.. yet.

 

[Spade]

My point was you should figure out what an oxymoron is before you go labeling phrases.

"Deafening silence" is an oxymoron (singular), "deafening" and "silence" are not oxymorons.......

Thus endeth the English lesson for today.

Gosh, you're right! I should've said "freedom-loving Conservatives."

 

[mentalfloss]

On Cullen - I don't think it's a good idea to merge Liberals and NDP. Unlike the Conservatives, I like to have a second party to fall back on if the one I voted for is a piece of poo.

 

[JLM]

On Cullen - I don't think it's a good idea to merge Liberals and NDP. Unlike the Conservatives, I like to have a second party to fall back on if the one I voted for is a piece of poo.

You're too polite- they are ALL full of sh*t! :lol:

 

[mentalfloss]

You're too polite- they are ALL full of sh*t! :lol:

In principle, I agree - but do you think a politician would want to try any harder if he/she heard this every day of his/her life?

 

[JLM]

In principle, I agree - but do you think a politician would want to try any harder if he/she heard this every day of his/her life?

I think if it was me, I'd be trying a LOT harder. After all in a democracy isn't the majority right? :smile:

 

[mentalfloss]

I think if it was me, I'd be trying a LOT harder. After all in a democracy isn't the majority right? :smile:

Always.