Ah, but you know, the problems are all Harper's fault, the chief is completely blameless.
NDP leader slams PM's Attawapiskat response
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Ah, but you know, the problems are all Harper's fault, the chief is completely blameless.
Hey MF, do those stereotypical descriptives make you want to speak out against them?
No surprise there. Great article by the way Colpy.
Attawapiskat files injunction to block 3rd-party manager
Chief Theresa Spence met with Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan in Thunder Bay
The chief of a remote Ontario reserve struggling with a housing crisis says the band has filed an injunction to stop a government-appointed third-party manager from "taking over".
Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence told reporters in Thunder Bay on Thursday that it would use the courts to resist the imposition of third-party management, the CBC's Adrienne Arsenault reported.
The chief added that it was her responsibility to protect the community.
Her comments come after a meeting with Aboriginal Affairs minister John Duncan in Thunder Bay to discuss the urgent needs of the Attawapiskat community. Spence said she filed the injunction against the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development immediately after the meeting, the CBC's Jody Porter reported from Thunder Bay.
Spence raised the alarm about living conditions in the fall, saying a housing shortage in the community of 1,800 had forced several families to live in tents and unheated trailers. As well, residents from the James Bay area reserve who have homes live in crowded, substandard housing in need of repairs.
After the meeting, Duncan told reporters that consensus on 3rd-party management could speed up the response to the crisis, Porter reported.
He also told reporters the forensic audit he's ordered for the struggling northern Ontario reserve will also look at the government department's finances for shortcomings.
Duncan said the meeting was "respectful", and he would visit Attawapiskat in due course. The minister added he couldn't have moved any sooner to help the remote community.
Attawapiskat files injunction to block 3rd-party manager - Politics - CBC News
Chief Theresa Spence met with Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan in Thunder Bay
The chief of a remote Ontario reserve struggling with a housing crisis says the band has filed an injunction to stop a government-appointed third-party manager from "taking over".
Attawapiskat Chief Theresa Spence told reporters in Thunder Bay on Thursday that it would use the courts to resist the imposition of third-party management, the CBC's Adrienne Arsenault reported.
The chief added that it was her responsibility to protect the community.
Her comments come after a meeting with Aboriginal Affairs minister John Duncan in Thunder Bay to discuss the urgent needs of the Attawapiskat community. Spence said she filed the injunction against the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development immediately after the meeting, the CBC's Jody Porter reported from Thunder Bay.
Spence raised the alarm about living conditions in the fall, saying a housing shortage in the community of 1,800 had forced several families to live in tents and unheated trailers. As well, residents from the James Bay area reserve who have homes live in crowded, substandard housing in need of repairs.
After the meeting, Duncan told reporters that consensus on 3rd-party management could speed up the response to the crisis, Porter reported.
He also told reporters the forensic audit he's ordered for the struggling northern Ontario reserve will also look at the government department's finances for shortcomings.
Duncan said the meeting was "respectful", and he would visit Attawapiskat in due course. The minister added he couldn't have moved any sooner to help the remote community.
Attawapiskat files injunction to block 3rd-party manager - Politics - CBC News
Now comes "the rest of the story"; claims of multi-generational sexual abuse involving incest etc., that involves members of the band council (7) and their familes. Medical counsellors working in the community were admonished to keep their mouths shut because if the full story ever came out there wouldn't be enough counselling resources available to deal with the fallout.
I've had it with these retarded communities demanding self determination rights while living off of the Canadian taxpayer to then turn around and create cesspools of ignored needs and squandered resources while they pad their own nests and build their little fifedoms of morally corrupt leaders with us paying the freight and allowing it to happen repeatedly.
We've done nothing but create ghettos of people with no responsibility, no skills, no hope, and no accountability. They need to be dragged into the reality of life in a country on a PLANET where to survive you must be able to compete with the world on as equal a footing as we can possibly make it for them and that does not include handing money to corrupt chiefs and band councils while allowing them to remain corrupt.
I've had it with these retarded communities demanding self determination rights while living off of the Canadian taxpayer to then turn around and create cesspools of ignored needs and squandered resources while they pad their own nests and build their little fifedoms of morally corrupt leaders with us paying the freight and allowing it to happen repeatedly.
We've done nothing but create ghettos of people with no responsibility, no skills, no hope, and no accountability. They need to be dragged into the reality of life in a country on a PLANET where to survive you must be able to compete with the world on as equal a footing as we can possibly make it for them and that does not include handing money to corrupt chiefs and band councils while allowing them to remain corrupt.
I'd love to give you thumbs up, but the stereotyping and generalization just ruins the better parts of your post.
I understand completely but the words I would use instead would be those that describe a trend and a 'normal' condition not the unusual or false categorization. If it were otherwise I would not have stereotyped or generalized.
"They" fits the bill for me as my age precludes me giving "them" the benefit of the doubt having lived long enough to know that the reserve that functions well and in a 'healthy' manner, both fiscally and morally, is in the minority. Federal Government is a contributor but not solely to blame. We all carry some of the guilt for not demanding "they" live up to the standards we would impose on others.
Any time we relinquish our responsibility to entities such as various religious organizations and government agencies without providing oversight we abrogate our collective responsibility to those people they assume to oversee. They take the atrocities perpetrated upon them and ratchet it up a notch or ten when they become the perpetrators of these same or worse deeds on their own people! Worse crime in my mind and no I won't give them the benefit of the doubt using the excuse "they don't know any better" as that would be stereotypical or a generalization. They damn well know they want new loaded pick-ups and ATV's!
Again, I see truth in parts of your post. It's to bad the blanket, bitter contempt ruins the message.
For some, swallowing pride, is hard enough. Without having to deal with false, generalized, stereotypical BS accusations.
Just once I'd like to see a reasoned post without all the generalization, stereotyping and usual BS claims and accusations, levied against the whole of the First Nations.
Well; that'll happen when they pull up their socks and start to actually consider being responsible for themselves instead of requiring us to fund them and at the same time demanding autonomy to behave badly.
Every year there is another revelation about some crisis on a reserve; whether it be the youth are all sniffing glue because they have no hope or the elders are all neglecting their children while in an alcoholic stupour. Now if we are the ONLY guilty parties in this equation I see your point of not generalizing but coming to their aid without critical comments or disparaging remarks being made BUT; if they actually share a considerable portion of the blame AND they make no efforts to help each other but merely line up to sing the same songs over and over.
All non-native Canadians are supposed to feel guilt over their largely 'self induced plight' but natives themselves as belonging to separate bands have no filial responsibilities towards each other? How does that disconnect work for you? Until they show some moral standing beyond using us as sugar-daddies they deserve scorn and derision. I'm not seeing those successful bands all chipping in to help with this latest fiasco, how come? Could it be they don't give a rat's patoot about each other?
Every year there is another revelation about some crisis on a reserve; whether it be the youth are all sniffing glue because they have no hope or the elders are all neglecting their children while in an alcoholic stupour. Now if we are the ONLY guilty parties in this equation I see your point of not generalizing but coming to their aid without critical comments or disparaging remarks being made BUT; if they actually share a considerable portion of the blame AND they make no efforts to help each other but merely line up to sing the same songs over and over.
All non-native Canadians are supposed to feel guilt over their largely 'self induced plight' but natives themselves as belonging to separate bands have no filial responsibilities towards each other? How does that disconnect work for you? Until they show some moral standing beyond using us as sugar-daddies they deserve scorn and derision. I'm not seeing those successful bands all chipping in to help with this latest fiasco, how come? Could it be they don't give a rat's patoot about each other?
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Well my daughter in law is a nice lady so by extention all native women must be nice.
Yep; I'm old enough and realistic enough I don't play the "politically correct" game; calls 'em as I sees 'em happening over and over and ......!
Your posts are an indicator; no acceptance of any responsibility for nthis latest fiasco should be bourn by the natives themselves.
Tell me something; what system did you grow up under that instilled any sense of responsibility in you? Was it a system that said "no matter how badly you personally behave it will always be someone elses fault" ? Was it a system that said "here's your money now do something good with it but, if you choose not to, well; it won't be your fault and we'll just give you more money"?
Make them accountable for having three salaried chiefs and 29 members of a council for a band with less than 2,000 members.
Yeah, yeah, I know; more blather.
I've known pre-pubescent kids with a higher degree of accepting responsibility than these folks.
Your posts are an indicator; no acceptance of any responsibility for nthis latest fiasco should be bourn by the natives themselves.
Tell me something; what system did you grow up under that instilled any sense of responsibility in you? Was it a system that said "no matter how badly you personally behave it will always be someone elses fault" ? Was it a system that said "here's your money now do something good with it but, if you choose not to, well; it won't be your fault and we'll just give you more money"?
Make them accountable for having three salaried chiefs and 29 members of a council for a band with less than 2,000 members.
Yeah, yeah, I know; more blather.
I've known pre-pubescent kids with a higher degree of accepting responsibility than these folks.
Where did all the money go; well lets start with the company that wins the bid to service the community. As we know anything delivered to such an area over quadruples in price. Anyone ask what does a regular weeks groceries cost a household up there?? What about much needed supplies to do the repairs?? I'd bet a $30 sheet of plywood here costs them $120 or better. Anyone knows when a company bids on an insurance job or government contract to bid high!! they make a fortune doing so and noone questions it.
Well where are the modular homes coming from? It is most likely extreme to the building standards used where they are being designed and manufactured. As well it is my understanding that they cannot put in a foundation as a basement that places like Winnipeg and such use in building. I had spent time in Tompson Man. so can say that its gets cold up there.
Not to mention Winnipeg is a concrete jungle where Attawapiskat is a wooden shack town
I hope these modular houses are not the standard, off the shelf units. The outside walls should all be 2 X 6 rather than 2 X 4
construction. When they put these things together, the vapour barrier is very important. I would also like to know what these
houses are going ti sit on. Will it be a foundation around a crawl space or slab on grade. The floor has to be really well insulated.
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Well you guys are partly right. Yes it costs lots to work in a remote place but few contractors are making a killing. It is actually quite easy to loose money.
No modulars are built with 2x4 anymore and haven't been for decades. They do not require concrete foundations there because they are normally set on piles on the permafrost. Also you can spec a modular with 2x8 walls and triple glazed windows f you want.
Well where are the modular homes coming from? It is most likely extreme to the building standards used where they are being designed and manufactured. As well it is my understanding that they cannot put in a foundation as a basement that places like Winnipeg and such use in building. I had spent time in Tompson Man. so can say that its gets cold up there.
Not to mention Winnipeg is a concrete jungle where Attawapiskat is a wooden shack town
I hope these modular houses are not the standard, off the shelf units. The outside walls should all be 2 X 6 rather than 2 X 4
construction. When they put these things together, the vapour barrier is very important. I would also like to know what these
houses are going ti sit on. Will it be a foundation around a crawl space or slab on grade. The floor has to be really well insulated.
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Well you guys are partly right. Yes it costs lots to work in a remote place but few contractors are making a killing. It is actually quite easy to loose money.
No modulars are built with 2x4 anymore and haven't been for decades. They do not require concrete foundations there because they are normally set on piles on the permafrost. Also you can spec a modular with 2x8 walls and triple glazed windows f you want.
As I've said previously, the important and agreeable parts of your posts, are lost in the BS and bitterness.
I'm also smart enough to consider her nice until proven wrong. I figure if she puts up with you she must be a saint or higher. BTW what's it worth not to have this post forwarded to her?
She's reading over my shoulder now, lol.
And she says thank you, and you're right, lol.
Of course I'm right. I always ask the supreme commander what my opinion is before I step in doo doo. Almost never wrong now.