NDP leader slams PM's Attawapiskat response

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I forgot to tell you that the house on the west coast of the island that got burned last year and again last week were both kitchen fires. Apparently if you leeve food on the stove long enough it will turn into either a flaming tribute or a burnt offering. Who would have guessed?

Depressing rerun for anti-native stereotypes

Lazy. Incompetent. Dead weight. Basically, a burden on the taxpayers. Harsh descriptives for anyone to swallow, yet it’s par for the course for First Nations in this country. Especially when a major issue hits mainstream news like the state of emergency in Attawapiskat First Nation over inadequate housing.

The James Bay community in Northern Ontario made the declaration in late October, yet people in the community have lived in makeshift houses since 2009. Some residents are facing the onslaught of a third winter without proper homes. And in Ontario’s Far North, winter is harsh and unforgiving, It’s a situation that can tug at the heart strings of most people. But when Aboriginal Affairs Minister John Duncan exercised his ministerial right to put the community under third-party management, suddenly the spotlight was on band finances. Where has the money gone?

Others have done a good job of breaking down the numbers, so I won’t dwell on it. Rather, as a First Nation person, the public backlash has weighed heavy. Instead of compassion, First Nations were suddenly generalized and told we don’t know how to fend for ourselves. Funny, considering I have an education, have a job, own a home and I’m raising a family. But wait, “you’re okay, I like you. It’s those other Indians I don’t like.” Words I have actually heard before.

I can’t imagine the toll the backlash has taken on the people of Attawapiskat. But sometimes the weight of the outside world isn’t very apparent in the day-to-day lives of people living in remote isolated communities. Life is a struggle to survive. Poverty. Social and health issues. Expensive food. Lack of potable water. The list goes on. Yet, the onslaught of voices can penetrate the thickest barrier.

Suddenly, everyone is an expert and knows what’s best. And more often than not, that advice tends to focus on the usual uninformed, misguided diatribes of “get a job” or “take care of yourselves and stop depending on taxpayer money.” And even the most well-intentioned advice can be unwarranted.

Why does it bother me? Because it’s the same old attitude that has brought on the problems that exist and fester in every corner of Indian country. Father knows best. And you best heed his advice. Paternalistic attitudes and policies that have done more harm than good. Basically we are being told, “those Indians can’t take care of themselves so we best step in and make things right.”

On a personal level I’m deeply offended that government and certain segments of the Canadian public would even think of stepping in. In the case of Attawapiskat, the community reached out for help. Instead, they were told “you don’t know what you’re doing so move aside.”

Well, frankly, the community does know what it’s doing. It has stable leadership. It’s one of the rare communities to post its financials online. It has emergency management plans in place. It has operated a school for years without a proper building. No one is looking at those positives.

But like almost every other First Nation in Canada it operates on limited financial resources for health, education, infrastructure and housing. To compound that, it is stuck dealing with the bureaucratic juggernaut that is Aboriginal Affairs, one of the federal government’s largest ministries. It’s a lot to ask of any competent leader to deal with. But it’s the reality of First Nations.

We’re a resilient people. My grandparents survived the mess that was the Indian residential school system and did their best to raise a family of 16 children. They succeeded. All we want today is the same comforts as any other Canadian, but it’s up to us to figure out how we are going to accomplish that goal of self-sufficiency. The only thing we want is a bit of help to ensure we get culturally appropriate education, housing and infrastructure. All things the rest of society needs. It’s not always easy to ask for help, so when a community like Attawapiskat ends up getting ostracized, it doesn’t sit well.

Canada has a choice. Get the relationship right with First Nations. Help with any means possible. Or continue the status quo and watch what happens when an underlying resentment among First Nation people begins to boil over. It’s not a threat, but when a people are pushed and repeatedly knocked down, something has to give.

Depressing rerun for anti-native stereotypes

Don't you ever get tired of copying and pasting someone else's opinion? No original thoughts of your own
 

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I forgot to tell you that the house on the west coast of the island that got burned last year and again last week were both kitchen fires. Apparently if you leeve food on the stove long enough it will turn into either a flaming tribute or a burnt offering. Who would have guessed?
LOL, no sh!t.

Burnt offering/flaming tribute...


My Russian cottager neighbour can't figure out why the pipe leading to the outdoor tap burst last weekend, and filled his crawl space with water either.

Some people just aren't bright.

Don't you ever get tired of copying and pasting someone else's opinion? No original thoughts of your own
Geezus, I can only give you one thumbs up per post, lol.
 

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Well where are the modular homes coming from? It is most likely extreme to the building standards used where they are being designed and manufactured. As well it is my understanding that they cannot put in a foundation as a basement that places like Winnipeg and such use in building. I had spent time in Tompson Man. so can say that its gets cold up there.
Not to mention Winnipeg is a concrete jungle where Attawapiskat is a wooden shack town

I hope these modular houses are not the standard, off the shelf units. The outside walls should all be 2 X 6 rather than 2 X 4
construction. When they put these things together, the vapour barrier is very important. I would also like to know what these
houses are going ti sit on. Will it be a foundation around a crawl space or slab on grade. The floor has to be really well insulated.

The houses are being built in NewBrunswick, to the standard that they use for mining camps and modulars built for Northern Quebec and Nunavut.
 

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Paul Martin: Canada's treatment of aboriginals is a 'moral issue'

MONTREAL — Watch for the fire in Paul Martin's eyes as he speaks about how this country has treated Canada's aboriginals. Listen to the sadness in his voice. And don't ignore the hopeful determination in his spirit.

The former prime minister is a man on a mission — to spend the remainder of his life turning back decades of discrimination and finally offer a ray of hope to young aboriginals whose future lies in a better education.

"I think the aboriginal issue is the single biggest moral issue and social issue we have as a country," an impassioned Martin said in a recent interview with Postmedia News at his Montreal office.

"It is a moral issue because we have discriminated against aboriginals since the beginning of the first settlement." If anyone thinks there still isn't a problem, all they need to do is look at the latest flash point in the headlines — living conditions at the northern Ontario reserve of Attawapiskat, which Martin said is just "the tip of the iceberg" among reserves throughout the country.

"I spend a lot of time in Africa," said Martin, who is still involved in helping the inhabitants of that continent. "I have never been in an African community as bad as some of the reserves I have been on in this country."

"How can we talk about Canadian values abroad when were not prepared to put those values into place at home?"

Martin was once Canada's most powerful political leader — prime minister from 2003 to 2006, after a successful 10-year stint as finance minister. Before that, he made his mark as a leading businessman at Canada Steamship Lines.

At age 73, he is a millionaire who could be relaxing in retirement at his country home in Quebec, or sitting on corporate boards and adding to his wealth.

So why, in the wake of his political defeat to Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives in 2006, has he spent so much time — and his own money — trying to make life better for Canada's aboriginals?

As prime minister, Martin made aboriginal issues a personal priority. In 2005, he struck the $5-billion Kelowna accord with provinces and aboriginal leaders. The agreement set out to improve the education, employment, health and living conditions of aboriginals.

But within two months, Martin lost power and Harper's government didn't carry through with the accord. Martin's former senior aide, Scott Reid, said that still rankles the ex-prime minister. "Kelowna is a stone in his shoe. It's a burr under his saddle. He's always been seized with this issue. Kelowna was his ability to really do something."

Martin said it's a tragedy the Conservatives dropped the accord because "we've lost six years" to make a difference. "It bothers me because of the huge waste in terms of human life. If they had carried through, there are six-year-olds who, when going into Grade 1, would have got a decent education. And they'll never get those years back."

After he returned to private life in 2006, Martin set up a foundation, the Martin Aboriginal Initiative. He declined to say how much money he has contributed, only to offer it is a "fair amount."

The foundation was designed to kickstart pilot projects aimed at keeping aboriginals in school and teaching them the importance of becoming a business entrepreneur.

The projects use a variety of innovative techniques — ranging from mentoring high school students in accounting and banking, to creating "model schools" on reserves where the goal is to improve literacy and numeracy skills at the elementary level.

Martin travels throughout the country, visiting reserves, and has persuaded some of the country's blue-chip companies to kick in funds for his pilot projects. His work has been successful, and provincial governments are starting to pay attention.

He points to some stark statistics as proof why action is so desperately needed to bridge the gap between aboriginals and non-aboriginals:
- High school drop-out rate: Sixty per cent of aboriginal students on-reserve and 43 per cent of aboriginal students off-reserve have dropped out of high school, compared with 9.5 per cent of non-aboriginal Canadians

- University degrees: Seven per cent of First Nations, nine per cent of Metis and four per cent of Inuit people have a university degree, compared with 23 per cent of non-aboriginal Canadians

- Incarceration: In 2007/2008, aboriginal adults accounted for 22 per cent of prison admissions although they represent only three per cent of the Canadian population

- Suicide: The suicide rate for aboriginals is twice the rate for non-aboriginals; for aboriginal youth, it is six times the rate of non-aboriginal young Canadians
Martin's personal interest dates back to when he was a teenager. As the son of a high-profile cabinet minister, he grew up in Windsor, Ont., and Ottawa and had never met an aboriginal.

That changed when he travelled to the North for two summers, working on the shores of Hudson Bay, and then, in the Northwest Territories, on a river-borne tug.

Martin is convinced the solution is education. Keep the kids in school, design programs tailor-made for their culture, teach them the value of entrepreneurship, and they will achieve success in life.

A descendant of Irish immigrants, Martin points to himself and other non-aboriginals.

"Our ancestors were not treated very well," said Martin, adding that later generations were successful thanks to strong schooling.

"Well, as it was true for the Irish, and the Italians and everybody else who immigrated to this country, why isn't it true for the first peoples?

"And yet what do we do? We don't provide them with the same quality of education that we provide ourselves. We underfund it by a magnificent amount. It means they don't have qualified teachers. It means they don't have science labs. It means they don't have gyms. They don't have sports for the kids."

Martin is pleased with the progress made by his foundation's pilot programs — a lesson for all governments to learn and eventually, to adopt.

"I'm going to work on this until the day I die or until I become a golf professional and go on tour," he said. "And I think the odds of that happening are pretty slim."
 

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MONTREAL — Watch for the fire in Paul Martin's eyes as he speaks about how this country has treated Canada's aboriginals. Listen to the sadness in his voice. And don't ignore the hopeful determination in his spirit.
And see an expert in acting and lip service.
 

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You didn't acknowledge any of the substantial points in the article.
I acknowledged his act and lip service.

Careful, your idearorogy is showing.
What idearorogy is that MF?

The one where I don't believe any politician, (including Native politicians) when they talk about Native issues?

Maybe you can point out where I said any sitting gov't has done anything but apply lip service to, or throw money at, the issue.
 

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So are you going to acknowledge the points or just sniff at the wind because a politician said it?
 

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So are you going to acknowledge the points or just sniff at the wind because a politician said it?
I already acknowledge the pertinent points.

The Liberal Party, like the Conservative Party, has done nothing, but throw money at the issue, or talked about talking about the issue.

IMHO, neither is productive or constructive.
 

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I already acknowledge the pertinent points.

The Liberal Party, like the Conservative Party, has done nothing, but throw money at the issue, or talked about talking about the issue.

IMHO, neither is productive or constructive.

Fair enough.

And for my part I will say that NDP has very been proactive on this issue, but they need to do more to raise public awareness about the Indian Act and whether or not it should be amended to reflect the current state of affairs.
 

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Fair enough.

And for my part I will say that NDP has very been proactive on this issue, but they need to do more to raise public awareness about the Indian Act and whether or not it should be amended to reflect the current state of affairs.
Why is NDP lip service any better than Liberal or Conservative lip service.

I've read the NDP platform on Native issues. It looks a lot like throwing more money at the issue, and relinquishing governance, to a group sorely lacking the accountability to do so effectively or responsibly.
 

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I've read the NDP platform on Native issues. It looks a lot like throwing more money at the issue, and relinquishing governance, to a group sorely lacking the accountability to do so effectively or responsibly.

Do you agree with me then that it's time to look at the Indian Act?
 

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So what was wrong with Martin doing something productive while he was PM? Or while he was finance minister under the other crook. Looks more like politicking to me.

The houses are being built in NewBrunswick, to the standard that they use for mining camps and modulars built for Northern Quebec and Nunavut.

Not quite sure how you did that but look at post 155. The part below the line is my response to another post.
 

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So what was wrong with Martin doing something productive while he was PM? Or while he was finance minister under the other crook. Looks more like politicking to me.
My point exactly.

The ideologically driven, always place more value/weight in/on the lip service of those whose political spectrum they dwell within.
 

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I took a look at the Indian act in the 80s when I first worked on utilities services on coastal reserves and found it lacking in so many ways. As I recall it was written to provide good paying jobs for white bureaucrats in Ottawa with a bit going to their pet chiefs and if there was any change spilled by accident the people that needed it most could pick it up out of the dirt.
 
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I took a look at the Indian act in the 80s when I first worked on utilities services on coastal reserves and found it lacking in so many ways. As I recall it was written to provide good paying jobs for white bureaucrats in Ottawa with a bit going to their pet chiefs and if there was any change spilled by accident the people that needed it most could pick it up out of the dirt.
In a way, yes.

But as it stands, it also protects those same people at the bottom, from even further abuses.

As I said earlier, and have said for many years, any self governance at this time, would be disastrous.
 

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As I said earlier, and have said for many years, any self governance at this time, would be disastrous.

How would you say this fits into the notion of employing a third party manager to deal with the situation?
 

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How would you say this fits into the notion of employing a third party manager to deal with the situation?
I don't trust the leadership on many reserves (And off, as in the Metis Nation), a much as I don't trust the Feds claims on most issues.

An impartial third party, along with a forensic audit, would have been able dispelled any myths. Pin point any inaccuracies, or wrong doing. And report that to the general public.

In fact, I'd like to see that done on every reserve in the country.