NDP conditions on Ontario budget include tax hike for highest earners

[Liberalman]

Hmm. Election would be fun.

And the NDP would lose all their seats

 

[WLDB]

And the NDP would lose all their seats

Not all, maybe a couple. Liberals stand to lose more.

Hudak will do what has to be done.

Resign as leader?

 

[mentalfloss]

I don't know why you would want that. Hudak seems to encompass the same belligerent stupidity as Ford. He rejected Mcguinty's budget outright, without any form of negotiation.

We don't want stubborn leaders in politics.

 

[Liberalman]

Good, the final death blow.

Hudak will do what has to be done.

Hudak asks stupid questions and he already said that he wants to continue where Mike Harris left to gut Ontario even more

 

[lone wolf]

....and?
People should try and be more responsible for themsleves instead of asking priemier dad for a hand out.
the sooner we make people less dependent on government the faster they will adapt to the real world of working hard and taking care of your own problems.

Why don't you just fling the disabled into your concentration camps ... or kill 'em off so money worshipers like you can eat forever.

By the sweat of my own brow is how the job disabled me - in the employ of the Province, by the way

 

[mentalfloss]

the sooner we make people less dependent on government the faster they will adapt to the real world of working hard and taking care of your own problems.

The right-wing pundits have you indoctrinated.

Taking money out my pocket without my consent is pure robbery.

So you're saying your entitled to your entitlements? :lol:

 

[Goober]

Sorry to here that.
If you lived in my neighborhood and you came to the church for help I would help you.
But I will choose that, not the government.
Taking money out my pocket without my consent is pure robbery.

My apologies -I gave you a green vice a red.
So you, the almighty get to decide who does or does not need help.
Now what would Jesus say about that? Can you smell the brimstone, it is in your future.

 

[mentalfloss]

It's from my own experiences and others I know.

The right wingers just back me up.

It's because they're going with their own anecdotal experience.

And anecdotal experience isn't indicative of truth.

Anecdotal evidence is often unscientific or pseudoscientific because various forms of cognitive bias may affect the collection or presentation of evidence. For instance, someone who claims to have had an encounter with a supernatural being or alien may present a very vivid story, but this is not falsifiable. This phenomenon can also happen to large groups of people through subjective validation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence

 

[lone wolf]

I get to decide what I do with my money and property.

Actually ... you don't. Taxes and expropriation are written into the laws of the land - somewhere just above your individual rights.

 

[Machjo]

Taking money out my pocket without my consent is pure robbery.

Now that going too far. Whatever happened to "give unto Caesar"? If there were absolutely no taxes, you'd have no roads. government does have a purpose none-the-less.

 

[Goober]

It's from my own experiences and others I know.
The right wingers just back me up.

Well you would be right at home in parts of the US. Either with Santorum or in a Sanatorium.

 

[mentalfloss]

They just back up my own experiences.

The unions protect the ones that don't want to work, the ones that do would be fine without them.

I went to a few union meetings and it was always the usual suspects moaning and groaning and always wanting more for less.

I suspect in the next 20 years we will have done away with unions.:smile:

I suspect that we won't, because - unlike you - most people are smart enough to question unsubstantiated assumptions.

 

[mentalfloss]

Beyond defence, law efforcement and some infastructure I see little need for government.

The best countries in the world right now, have an influential, transparent and accountable government.

Norway
Denmark
Sweden
Netherlands

Basically, most of the northern European countries. They also have thriving economies with a much lower income disparity.

 

[Machjo]

Sure they do, but a very limited one.

Beyond defence, law efforcement and some infastructure I see little need for government.

And where will it get the money from for defence, law enforcement and infrastructure if it's not free to take money from people. Does it just keep printing money, borrow, surive off the sale of crown resources? OK, that last one might be possible, but you can see that if the government cannot tax, its options are quite limited.

 

[Goober]

Santorum wants to intrude in peoples lives so no it would not be better.
Wanna smoke pot....go ahead.
Wanna have a gay marraige...no problem.
Wanna help the poor....good on ya.
It's your choice.
....and yet union support dwindles.

And a govt that assists the poor, those in need. So I pony up. You on the other hand are the judge of what is, who is, and who will not be helped by Govt - Society - Guess you do not get it do you.
Just another greedy liar.

 

[Machjo]

The best countries in the world right now, have an influential, open and transparent government.

Norway
Denmark
Sweden
Netherlands

Basically, most of the northern European countries. They also have thriving economies with a much lower income disparity.

And they're also mostly social-corporatist economies open to promoting collaboration between the state and the private sector. For instance, Sweden's health care system allows for a private sector too, and also has a school voucher programme in place nationwide, something Canadians usually associate with US republicans even though school vouchers are rare in US jurisdictions. Add to that that Sweden does not favour artificial interference with market equilibrium as witness its lack of a minimum wage for instance.

Just a few points to consider.

 

[mentalfloss]

....and yet union support dwindles.

Maybe in North America, but that's because unfettered capitalism is widely accepted. And harming itself, at least in the U.S. In Canada, we still have a heavily regulated banking sector, which saved us from 2008.

And they're also mostly social-corporatist economies open to promoting collaboration between the state and the private sector. For instance, Sweden's health care system allows for a private sector too, and also has a school voucher programme in place nationwide, something Canadians usually associate with US republicans even though school vouchers are rare in US jurisdictions. Add to that that Sweden does not favour artificial interference with market equilibrium as witness its lack of a minimum wage for instance.

Just a few points to consider.

I'm sure there are parts of the economy that can be freed up, just as there are parts that require more regulation. I can't speak to the benefit/detriment of removing a minimum wage, but I do know that a completely free market is a bad idea.

 

[mentalfloss]

Taxes of course.

I never said eliminate tax.

Oh, you mean voluntary taxes. You know, because taking any money out of your pocket without your consent is robbery.

 

[Machjo]

Taxes of course.

I never said eliminate tax.

You said taxing is theft.

 

[B00Mer]

Does anyone here realize that BC has one of the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada..

Live in Ontario, move to BC...

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html