NATO warned to start paying its bills

[tay]

That might get us to where we would have been, had the government kept up with equipment maintenance. You cannot buy mechanical things and expect that they will last forever.

We have heard many governments over the decades talking up the military but I think this latest commitment will quietly go away as well.........

 

[DaSleeper]

That might get us to where we would have been, had the government kept up with equipment maintenance. You cannot buy mechanical things and expect that they will last forever.

Especially second hand British subs.............

 

[Danbones]

Why don't we just stop fighting wars so a few pedophile bankers can get rich off of everyone else's death

During the Civil War Congress passed the Revenue Act of 1861 which included a tax on personal incomes to help pay war expenses.
https://www.loc.gov/rr/business/hottopic/irs_history.html

for anyone who doesn't get how this "war" thing actually works

 

[Bar Sinister]

Cites?

Your bulwark is the land that Russia, and later, the USSR, wanted to take. In the 1940s and 1950s, Russia was very aggressively looking to expand their union. It was not a matter of the US using Europe. Russia wanted more. With the introduction of long range bombers, intercontinental ballistic missiles, etc., the game changed.

Whether NATO is of any value today is a moot point. Any nation that wishes to remain a member must pay their dues. If you do not wish to pay anymore, or feel that NATO's role is not relevant to the modern age, withdraw. There is nothing forcing nations to remain as members.

Like any club, should you wish to be a member, you pay your dues. If you want to quit, pull out.

Actually, no one knows what the USSR intended to do during the cold War. The Soviets never openly declared their intentions. Both the USA and the USSR identified one another as enemies after 1945 and interpreted one anothers' actions as hostile. Much of the interpretation on both sides was mistaken. To the USSR NATO looked like a US attempt to expand and perpetuate its influence and the the US the spread of communism following WW II was taken to be evidence of soviet aggression and continual worldwide intervention by the USA was interpreted as US expansionism.

And I am not sure what the word "Cities" refers to.

 

[Murphy]

A cite is proof that supports your argument. You should use them. I posted a statement explaining NATO's formation and purpose earlier. That was a cite.

The USSR's intentions were very clear after WWII. They wanted ro spread socialism and expand their territory.

This is a cite - one of many - that supports my statement. https://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Soviet2.html

The world did know precisely what their intentions were. I served with NATO in W. Germany for four years in the 1970s, and witnessed their aggression first hand. You may also wish to read about Poland and Czechoslovakia, postwar, and learn about their expansionist actions.

To say that the USSR did not declare their intentions is naive in the extreme.

 

[pgs]

A cite is proof that supports your argument. You should use them. I posted a statement explaining NATO's formation and purpose earlier. That was a cite.

The USSR's intentions were very clear after WWII. They wanted ro spread socialism and expand their territory.

This is a cite - one of many - that supports my statement. https://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Soviet2.html

The world did know precisely what their intentions were. I served with NATO in W. Germany for four years in the 1970s, and witnessed their aggression first hand. You may also wish to read about Poland and Czechoslovakia, postwar, and learn about their expansionist actions.

To say that the USSR did not declare their intentions is naive in the extreme.

But it fits his narrative that the U.S. is evil .

 

[Murphy]

He is free to believe what he wants. It is flawed position, with no basis in fact, but if his delusions make him happy, that's fine. Just don't expect to be taken seriously.

 

[Bar Sinister]

A cite is proof that supports your argument. You should use them. I posted a statement explaining NATO's formation and purpose earlier. That was a cite.

The USSR's intentions were very clear after WWII. They wanted ro spread socialism and expand their territory.

This is a cite - one of many - that supports my statement. https://www.shsu.edu/~his_ncp/Soviet2.html

The world did know precisely what their intentions were. I served with NATO in W. Germany for four years in the 1970s, and witnessed their aggression first hand. You may also wish to read about Poland and Czechoslovakia, postwar, and learn about their expansionist actions.

To say that the USSR did not declare their intentions is naive in the extreme.

I am afraid your interpretation of history is in error. The Soviet action in Czechoslovakia, Poland, and Hungary was not aggression in the normal sense in that the USSR was not attempting to acquire new territory. What it was trying to do was hang on to a sphere of influence it already controlled, namely what has been called the Iron Curtain. However, at no time in the Cold War did the USSR ever launch a direct invasion of any nation that was not already part of the Soviet Bloc. And that includes Afghanistan, which began as war to preserve the communist government there. The article you have presented is not in error, but it doe not contradict my position. There was no invasion of Poland, and Soviet troops were invited in by the governments of Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and Afghanistan.
Essentially much of the Cold War involved consisted of both the USSR and the USA trying to hang on to their respective spheres of influence and engaging in a gigantic and deadly game of bluff.