Nationalize Canadian oil reserves!!!!
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I suppose to you my replies are pitiful because they are not pro NEO CON. If that works for you my friend I am happy, you still haven’t posted any solutions here. You must always have a bad day when someone talks bad about the CONS.
well...I know I really don't have to worry about it, because to nationalize the oil industry and have the feds take control of Oil and Gas would require a constitutional amendment. Something that will never happpen because, it's not only Alberta that has oil and gas. BC, Saskatchewan, East Coast..... not to mention, does it stop with JUST oil or will other mining endevours be "nationalized? How about Nationalizing BC's logging industry and stumping fees go to the feds to spread around ALL of Canada. How would that be BC'ers... you guys willing to lose that revenue?
Geez Gerr...now that's what I call going off half cocked. Do you wanna debate or do you wanna start cussin' and swearin' because you're not getting your own way? So you drop a few F bombs and that makes you automatically correct? Or is that anatomically correct? As for balls, perhaps you're referring to those tiny gonads hiding under the belly of your avatar.
WHat it's called is calling a spade a spade...... whine whine whine......when it wasn't known Alberta and Saskatchewan had the oil reserves....the east didn't goive a rats ass about the west..... NOW...with oil prices going through the roof, you whiney ass "easterners" want to dip your fingers in.
I'm sorry Gerry. I have to admit to a certain amount of trolling on my part. I sensed a bubbling festering pool of discrimination lurking under your tone and by gawd I was right! It finally raised it's ugly head. I see the 'eastern bums and creeps' mentality hasn't departed from your province since my days here in the '80's.
Keep your damn oil man. We have plenty of it in the east. Perhaps we'll show you how to spread the wealth around. Let me tell you sometime how my home province of Newfoundland has had her natural resources raped and pillaged by the greedy upalongs from the mainland. Then you can cry me a river about your oil.
Well you sure know how to deflate a debate. No sense talking to you anymore sonny. Come back when you have something substantial to say.
Keep your damn oil man. We have plenty of it in the east. Perhaps we'll show you how to spread the wealth around. Let me tell you sometime how my home province of Newfoundland has had her natural resources raped and pillaged by the greedy upalongs from the mainland. Then you can cry me a river about your oil.
Well you sure know how to deflate a debate. No sense talking to you anymore sonny. Come back when you have something substantial to say.
CANADIAN ENERGY SECURITY
Easterners could freeze in the dark
The U.S. has a national energy policy that emphasizes self-sufficiency, energy independence and domestic ownership. Why don't we?
GORDON LAXER
The Globe and Mail
May 28, 2007
At a meeting of the House of Commons' international trade committee earlier this month, Leon Benoit, the Conservative chairman, ordered me to stop my presentation as an invited witness. My remarks, he ruled, were not relevant. When his decision was successfully challenged by other members of the committee, Mr. Benoit adjourned the meeting and left the room.
I was astonished. I had spent several days preparing for my presentation, and two days in transit. Later, I learned that Mr. Benoit's behaviour may have been prompted by a secret guidebook for Conservative chairmen, designed to interrupt witnesses challenging government positions.
If so, it backfired. Suppression intrigues people. They want to know what caused the storm.
I was cut off after noting that the United States has a National Energy Policy (a NEP) that emphasizes self-sufficiency, energy independence and domestic ownership.
And while Canada, as part of our bilateral Security and Prosperity Partnership initiative, supports U.S. efforts to wean itself off Middle Eastern oil, I noted that we do not have a NEP of our own.
Indeed, Canada's official goal is greater continental co-operation, at the expense of our own security of supply.
For example, in researching how Canada's energy security would be affected by exporting more energy to the United States, I learned that Canada has no plans, or enough pipelines, to get oil to Eastern Canadians in the event of an international supply crisis.
Further, I was surprised that the government was not even studying Canadian energy security.
The National Energy Board wrote me on April 12: "Unfortunately, the NEB has not undertaken any studies on security of supply." Yet the board's mandate is to "promote safety and security ... in the Canadian public interest."
I asked if Canada, as a member of the International Energy Agency, will establish a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. The IEA was created to counter OPEC's boycotting power; its 24 members are supposed to maintain 90 days of emergency oil reserves.
The NEB replied that Canada "was specifically exempted from establishing a reserve, on the grounds that Canada is a net exporting country whereas the other members are net importers."
But that doesn't make sense. Canada may be a net exporter, but it still imports 40 per cent of its oil - 850,000 barrels per day - to meet 90 per cent of Atlantic Canada's and Quebec's needs, and 40 per cent of Ontario's.
A rising share of those imports, 45 per cent, comes from OPEC countries, primarily Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Meanwhile, imports from safer North Sea suppliers have shrunk to 37 per cent.
Many Eastern Canadians heat their homes with oil. Western Canada cannot supply all of Eastern Canadian needs, because NAFTA reserves Canadian oil for Americans' security of supply. Canada now exports 63 per cent of the oil it produces and 56 per cent of its natural gas.
http://www.canadians.org/media/council/2007/28-May-07.html
This is how you build national unity folks. Let them freeze in the east. Un-freakin-believable. Can anyone else here see the unfairness in the NAFTA agreement?
Let's see...the people in eastern Canada have to import their oil and pay world market prices for it. Alberta exports her oil at world market prices. At the very least, instead of building pipelines to the states, how about you send one or two down east. They'd be happy to pay the going rate for it. Then in case of a world wide shortage at least our country would be self sufficient and major parts of the country would not be left high and dry. Again it all comes back to our federal government lacking the intestinal fortitude to force this issue in the name of national security.
Easterners could freeze in the dark
The U.S. has a national energy policy that emphasizes self-sufficiency, energy independence and domestic ownership. Why don't we?
GORDON LAXER
The Globe and Mail
May 28, 2007
At a meeting of the House of Commons' international trade committee earlier this month, Leon Benoit, the Conservative chairman, ordered me to stop my presentation as an invited witness. My remarks, he ruled, were not relevant. When his decision was successfully challenged by other members of the committee, Mr. Benoit adjourned the meeting and left the room.
I was astonished. I had spent several days preparing for my presentation, and two days in transit. Later, I learned that Mr. Benoit's behaviour may have been prompted by a secret guidebook for Conservative chairmen, designed to interrupt witnesses challenging government positions.
If so, it backfired. Suppression intrigues people. They want to know what caused the storm.
I was cut off after noting that the United States has a National Energy Policy (a NEP) that emphasizes self-sufficiency, energy independence and domestic ownership.
And while Canada, as part of our bilateral Security and Prosperity Partnership initiative, supports U.S. efforts to wean itself off Middle Eastern oil, I noted that we do not have a NEP of our own.
Indeed, Canada's official goal is greater continental co-operation, at the expense of our own security of supply.
For example, in researching how Canada's energy security would be affected by exporting more energy to the United States, I learned that Canada has no plans, or enough pipelines, to get oil to Eastern Canadians in the event of an international supply crisis.
Further, I was surprised that the government was not even studying Canadian energy security.
The National Energy Board wrote me on April 12: "Unfortunately, the NEB has not undertaken any studies on security of supply." Yet the board's mandate is to "promote safety and security ... in the Canadian public interest."
I asked if Canada, as a member of the International Energy Agency, will establish a Strategic Petroleum Reserve. The IEA was created to counter OPEC's boycotting power; its 24 members are supposed to maintain 90 days of emergency oil reserves.
The NEB replied that Canada "was specifically exempted from establishing a reserve, on the grounds that Canada is a net exporting country whereas the other members are net importers."
But that doesn't make sense. Canada may be a net exporter, but it still imports 40 per cent of its oil - 850,000 barrels per day - to meet 90 per cent of Atlantic Canada's and Quebec's needs, and 40 per cent of Ontario's.
A rising share of those imports, 45 per cent, comes from OPEC countries, primarily Algeria, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Meanwhile, imports from safer North Sea suppliers have shrunk to 37 per cent.
Many Eastern Canadians heat their homes with oil. Western Canada cannot supply all of Eastern Canadian needs, because NAFTA reserves Canadian oil for Americans' security of supply. Canada now exports 63 per cent of the oil it produces and 56 per cent of its natural gas.
http://www.canadians.org/media/council/2007/28-May-07.html
This is how you build national unity folks. Let them freeze in the east. Un-freakin-believable. Can anyone else here see the unfairness in the NAFTA agreement?
Let's see...the people in eastern Canada have to import their oil and pay world market prices for it. Alberta exports her oil at world market prices. At the very least, instead of building pipelines to the states, how about you send one or two down east. They'd be happy to pay the going rate for it. Then in case of a world wide shortage at least our country would be self sufficient and major parts of the country would not be left high and dry. Again it all comes back to our federal government lacking the intestinal fortitude to force this issue in the name of national security.
Hmmmmm.....what is newfoundland doing with the oil they're pullin outa of the ground?
My sister is a psychiatrist, she has confirmed to me that my mind is malty track;
Socrates mind is Malty track? Malted Milk? Malt Liquor? Republic of Malta?
Socrates mind is Malty track? Malted Milk? Malt Liquor? Republic of Malta?
We're keeping it. Storing it in huge tanks on the Southside Hills in St. John's. Waiting for the day when the world runs out of oil and we'll be sitting on a gold mine.
I would presume Newfoundland, still being part of Canada at the moment, would fall under the NAFTA agreement. I would guess roughly 65% of the oil is exported to the US, same as Alberta. Not very comforting is it?
And who says Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan and BC are exempt from doing their part in helping the country? Like any province that does well, they should be expected to pony up.
I would presume Newfoundland, still being part of Canada at the moment, would fall under the NAFTA agreement. I would guess roughly 65% of the oil is exported to the US, same as Alberta. Not very comforting is it?
And who says Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan and BC are exempt from doing their part in helping the country? Like any province that does well, they should be expected to pony up.
You do realize that Alberta hands out approximately $3000 per capita more than it collects from the feds. Nova Scotia GET's about $4500 per capita MORE than it gives. So tell me...... who's helping and who isn't?
And rightly so. I have no argument with that. Ontario has given it's fair share over the years as well. Right now that province is experiencing some hard times. It's only fair the rest of the country pitch in and give them a helping hand in their time of need. If I recall my history correctly, it was not so long ago when Alberta was on the receiving end of financial help from the rest of the country. It's all relative...who cares.
Believe me, I'm not proud that Newfoundland has been on the receiving end of transfer payments for so long. That's a result of poor government and shady business deals. It's not that we want our hands in your pocket, as you succintly put it. Out of necessity and poverty we were at an economic disadvantage. I'm certainly proud that our province is now able to give back to the rest of the country with our increased revenue from the oil industry.
But this thread is about National Oil Reserves. And if we don't get this straight here and now, there may come a day when we will pay the price for our lack of foresight. Maybe not Alberta so much but certainly the rest of the country.
By the way, how come Alberta only has $14 billion in their Heritage Fund when a country like Norway with similar oil production numbers has somewhere in the range of $298 billion?
Believe me, I'm not proud that Newfoundland has been on the receiving end of transfer payments for so long. That's a result of poor government and shady business deals. It's not that we want our hands in your pocket, as you succintly put it. Out of necessity and poverty we were at an economic disadvantage. I'm certainly proud that our province is now able to give back to the rest of the country with our increased revenue from the oil industry.
But this thread is about National Oil Reserves. And if we don't get this straight here and now, there may come a day when we will pay the price for our lack of foresight. Maybe not Alberta so much but certainly the rest of the country.
By the way, how come Alberta only has $14 billion in their Heritage Fund when a country like Norway with similar oil production numbers has somewhere in the range of $298 billion?
We had to spend it to fix all the stuff Ralph cut from the budget,and we had to pay back all the money Getty borrowed.:angryfire:
Both the governments of oil producing provinces and the national government are reaping the benefits of high oil prices. Now what do you do with this load of sudden cash?
Let's funnel it into into Hybrid or other alternate technologies. Let's make the East coast and Western Canada the next auto manufacturing sectors.
Toronto and Quebec likely want to continue to subsidize overpaid and underworked CAW members so Buzz can help the NDP and Liberals get re-elected. What part of NO ONE IS BUYING GAS GUZZLING TRUCKS do they not understand? Production workers at $34 per hr and trades at $40 per hr to turn some bolts and tack a few welds! And that's before the benefits are added! No wonder GM and Ford are in trouble. Lets get the "BIG 3" to shut down their operations in the centre of te universe and come over to the dark side. (insert evil laugh here!)
Let's funnel it into into Hybrid or other alternate technologies. Let's make the East coast and Western Canada the next auto manufacturing sectors.
Toronto and Quebec likely want to continue to subsidize overpaid and underworked CAW members so Buzz can help the NDP and Liberals get re-elected. What part of NO ONE IS BUYING GAS GUZZLING TRUCKS do they not understand? Production workers at $34 per hr and trades at $40 per hr to turn some bolts and tack a few welds! And that's before the benefits are added! No wonder GM and Ford are in trouble. Lets get the "BIG 3" to shut down their operations in the centre of te universe and come over to the dark side. (insert evil laugh here!)
To be fair, the rest of the country sold Newfoundland out (after defacto forcing her to join) to foreign interests simply because it wasn't worth the bother to everyone else in the interests of "national unity".
So why shouldn't Alberta get sold out like Newfoundland? Perhaps allow Companies to export the Oil with no royalties, claim its unfair trade to collect money for resources "Sorry, resources are private property now".
Just claim its a treaty and withhold an appropriate amount of money from out west to even any money collected out.
If there is one thing central governments are good at, its selling out all its component interests.
Nationalizing oil reserves?
If Alberta decides to pull the plug on Canada what happens to Quebec and the other have-not provinces? The feds certainly can't afford to fund these provinces who cannot make it on their own, without raising taxes to a level that we will all wind up in long lines at soup kitchens, and food banks?
As for Canada's Constitution, we are the only democratic country in the world that had no say in the formation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Because of that fact we have a document that is flawed to the ninths, because not only does in confer more rights on criminals than it does their victims, but it also allows a bunch of appointed and unaccountable members of the judiciary to dictate to our elected representatives, and that is just wrong!
Walter; First of all most Canadians are not in favour of 'BIG GOVERNMENT," and it is only the Liberals and the NDP, who see a Canada where government is all things to all people, from birth to death. I'm sorry, but I for one do not want either politicians or bureaucrats deciding for me how my money is to be spent, and the money I am talking about is not only the little bit that is left after taxes, but I am also talking about t6he money they collect as taxes and fritter it away. Alberta like Quebec or any other province for that matter came into the Canadian Federation and by referendum can leave as well. If Canada tries to pull another NEB hijacking of Alberta's oil resources it will give the people of Alberta the motivation to opt out of Canada. The reaiity is that Alberta can survive without Canada, but the reverse is not possible.
If Alberta decides to pull the plug on Canada what happens to Quebec and the other have-not provinces? The feds certainly can't afford to fund these provinces who cannot make it on their own, without raising taxes to a level that we will all wind up in long lines at soup kitchens, and food banks?
As for Canada's Constitution, we are the only democratic country in the world that had no say in the formation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Because of that fact we have a document that is flawed to the ninths, because not only does in confer more rights on criminals than it does their victims, but it also allows a bunch of appointed and unaccountable members of the judiciary to dictate to our elected representatives, and that is just wrong!