Nationalize Canadian oil reserves!!!!
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Canada should cut a deal with the oil producing provinces........
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Here's a bit of a different spin on this discussion.
Stephane Dion and his Green Shift plan are not being accepted with open arms out here in the West at all. Western Canada has lived through the National Energy Plan once already and will not put up with this sort of plan ever again. The N.E.P. was true economic oppression to Western Canada and it snuffed out the fledgling Saskatchewan oil industry for close to 15 years and pulled untold Billions out of Alberta crippling it's economic base. This will never be allowed to happen again. Talk of separation is going on out here in Western Canada now, and it's not just the wing-nut fringe element either. This is working its way into the daily conversations normal & rational people who remember the N.E.P. and the talk isn't passionate rhetoric; it's calm, cool, rational discussion to the effect that, if the Green Plan comes in with the Liberal Party, then Western Canada is out. The conversation is just too matter of fact to not be taken seriously. I couln't have pictured this just three months ago but it's happening right now, and it is very real. For those out there that are unaware of the "National Energy Plan" that this "Green Shift" plan is being perceived as the NEP-2
out in Western Canada, you can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program
My question to you folks in Quebec and the Maritimes is, do you even know that this is happening out here in Western Canada? I understand that much of Eastern Canada generally leans Left politically (Liberal, or NDP, or Parti Quebecois), but right now between Alberta and Saskatchewan together there is exactly one Liberal MP and he (Ralph Goodale) will not be getting a seat in the next Federal election. Are you even aware of this movement towards Western separation in your half of Canada?
Again, I'm stuck wading through the media with different papers leaning Left in the coverage in the East and Right in the coverage in the West. Do the folks out in the East understand just how much of a threat to our economies and our way of life that the Green Plan is perceived as? This is not seen as some kind of 'save the environment program' at all, but purely as (much like the N.E.P. from '80-'85) a new way for the Liberal Party to buy votes in Eastern Canada with Western money and resourses as it knows it can't count on a single Liberal MP out of Alberta and Saskatchewan. Is this being spun in a completely different way out there? There are always at least two different sides to every story, and I'm curious as to what the other side could be. Can I get some input from someone in Quebec and someone in the Maritimes please?
Stephane Dion and his Green Shift plan are not being accepted with open arms out here in the West at all. Western Canada has lived through the National Energy Plan once already and will not put up with this sort of plan ever again. The N.E.P. was true economic oppression to Western Canada and it snuffed out the fledgling Saskatchewan oil industry for close to 15 years and pulled untold Billions out of Alberta crippling it's economic base. This will never be allowed to happen again. Talk of separation is going on out here in Western Canada now, and it's not just the wing-nut fringe element either. This is working its way into the daily conversations normal & rational people who remember the N.E.P. and the talk isn't passionate rhetoric; it's calm, cool, rational discussion to the effect that, if the Green Plan comes in with the Liberal Party, then Western Canada is out. The conversation is just too matter of fact to not be taken seriously. I couln't have pictured this just three months ago but it's happening right now, and it is very real. For those out there that are unaware of the "National Energy Plan" that this "Green Shift" plan is being perceived as the NEP-2
out in Western Canada, you can read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Energy_Program
My question to you folks in Quebec and the Maritimes is, do you even know that this is happening out here in Western Canada? I understand that much of Eastern Canada generally leans Left politically (Liberal, or NDP, or Parti Quebecois), but right now between Alberta and Saskatchewan together there is exactly one Liberal MP and he (Ralph Goodale) will not be getting a seat in the next Federal election. Are you even aware of this movement towards Western separation in your half of Canada?
Again, I'm stuck wading through the media with different papers leaning Left in the coverage in the East and Right in the coverage in the West. Do the folks out in the East understand just how much of a threat to our economies and our way of life that the Green Plan is perceived as? This is not seen as some kind of 'save the environment program' at all, but purely as (much like the N.E.P. from '80-'85) a new way for the Liberal Party to buy votes in Eastern Canada with Western money and resourses as it knows it can't count on a single Liberal MP out of Alberta and Saskatchewan. Is this being spun in a completely different way out there? There are always at least two different sides to every story, and I'm curious as to what the other side could be. Can I get some input from someone in Quebec and someone in the Maritimes please?
I don't think Albertans are going to allow the Feds to kill the goose that lays golden eggs. Eastern Canada should be quite concerned about another NEP, How much manufacturing does Ontario have left?. If we leave who's going to pay the bills? We here in Alberta have a different mind set than the rest of the country (not better, Just different)we're not like Quebec who will constantly threaten to leave Confederation. We will get pissed off and just leave, there will be no threats.
Hasn't the West figured that's how to keep upping the anté so you can get the best cut for yourself? Reform ran on a no-more-Quebec-Prime-Ministers platform a few elections ago, now Harper's kissing their butts. How does east-is-least, west-is-best work for anything more than declination?
Wer'e not into those mind games- we just want to be equal partners, you don't here many Albertans bitching about having to give have not provinces equalization payments, to us thats just the way it is, as once we were a havenot.(we really don't miss the money that sent anyway- out of sight out of mind). But if the Feds get greedy and start phucking up our economy again it won't bode well for anybody. We don't give a damn about Harper, all he has to do is keep the taxes low, balance the books and don't make waves. I think we need to put in a fairtax, one on consumption only, and get rid of all the others. We really have to get rid of this i'm a lib or i'm a con or whatever start concentrating on the country as a whole do whats best for the country not because it's a lib policy or a con policy but because it's a good policy. quitting now starting to ramble
I'm not into those mind games either. Representation based on population isn't the best of ways either. It creates too much inequity within Parliament. I'm from Northern Ontario, so we get it Federally and Provincially. Got room on that separation wagon?