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[darkbeaver]

Analysts question Korea torpedo incident


How is it that a submarine of a fifth-rate power was able to penetrate a U.S.-South Korean naval exercise and sink a ship that was designed for anti-submarine warfare?
Such questions are being fueled by suggestions in the South Korean and Japanese media that the naval exercise was intended to provoke the North to attack. The resulting public outcry in the South, according to this analysis, would bolster support for a conservative government in Seoul that is opposed to reconciliation efforts.
As fanciful as it may sound to Western ears, the case that Operation Foal Eagle was designed to provoke the North has been underscored by constant references in regional media to charts showing the location where the ship was sunk -- in waters close to, and claimed by, North Korea.
"Baengnyeong Island is only 20 kilometers from North Korea in an area that the North claims as its maritime territory, except for the South Korean territorial sea around the island,” Japanese journalist Tanaka Sakai wrote in the left-leaning Asia-Pacific Journal: Japan Focus.
He called the sinking of the ship “an enigma.”
"The Cheonan was a patrol boat whose mission was to survey with radar and sonar the enemy’s submarines, torpedoes, and aircraft ... " Sakai wrote.

"If North Korean submarines and torpedoes were approaching, the Cheonan should have been able to sense it quickly and take measures to counterattack or evade. Moreover, on the day the Cheonan sank, US and ROK military exercises were under way, so it could be anticipated that North Korean submarines would move south to conduct surveillance. It is hard to imagine that the Cheonan sonar forces were not on alert."​

The liberal Hankyoreh newspaper in Seoul echoed a similar theme.
“A joint South Korea

 

[lone wolf]

Some folks are naturally good at taking a dive.

 

[MHz]

Seems the taxpayers of America and South Korea deserve a refund for all the coin they have donated to the military and it anti-submarine warfare systems that apparently don't work.
Have you read the article on the possibility that it was one of the allies own mines that took the ship out. I can find the article that even names the USS that special forces operate and one part of their duties has to do with laying mines.

 

[L Gilbert]

Analysts question Korea torpedo incident


How is it that a submarine of a fifth-rate power was able to penetrate a U.S.-South Korean naval exercise and sink a ship that was designed for anti-submarine warfare?

Actually, that is probably the easiest time for an enemy boomer to go take a swipe at a friendly. Think about it, if you can, the friendly is preoccupied doing whatever they are doing in their exercise and don't have their minds open to recognize any anomalies. For instance the sonar operator may be concentrating on pinging the positions of friendly boomers and just glance to see if they are all in the positions they are supposed to be in.
Another tactic is to draft on a surface ship directly underneath it to hide.
Boomers are boomers because they are stealthy and there has been myriads of tactics developed to enhance their stealthiness.
NKoreans the best? I doubt it.
Oh yeah, and BTW, here's another thread that could have just been added as a post in an existing thread about NK sub issues. Lazy shyte

 

[MHz]

Think about it, if you can, the friendly is preoccupied doing whatever they are doing in their exercise and don't have their minds open to recognize any anomalies.

The ship that was sank was as anti-submarine warfare ship. What could pre-occupy them so much as to forget what they were there for? lol With the Yanks running the show it is apparent none of their machines work as promised. AGAIN lol

 

[El Barto]

I doubt N Korea has any nuclear subs , but an electric sub is pretty damn quiet even more so if ii is just sitting there waiting.

 

[MHz]

I doubt N Korea has any nuclear subs , but an electric sub is pretty damn quiet even more so if ii is just sitting there waiting.

Well inside South Korean waters, would that be among the many sea-floor mines that dot the area that is closed to commercial boats?
Nothing like riding a sinking ship all the way to the bottom. LOL

http://newamericamedia.org/2010/05/did-an-american-mine-sink-the-south-korean-ship.php

A rising mine, which is effective only in shallow waters, rests atop a small platform on the sea floor under a camouflage of sand and gravel. Its detection system uses acoustics and magnetic readings to pick up enemy ships and submarines. When activated, jets of compressed air or solid-fuel rockets lift the bomb, which self-guides toward the magnetic center of the target. The blast rips the keel, splitting the ship or submarine into two neat pieces, just as was done to the RKOS Cheonan.

 

[L Gilbert]

The ship that was sank was as anti-submarine warfare ship.

I read that. So?

What could pre-occupy them so much as to forget what they were there for? lol

I explained that. Apparently you can't understand everything you read.
Besides, who says they weren't tracking the NK sub?

With the Yanks running the show it is apparent none of their machines work as promised. AGAIN lol

Nice try; I offered a couple of sub tactics that might explain it. If you can't wrap your head around them, then I'd suggest you learn a little more about subs and tactics. Then come back and criticize the posts of people that have read extensively on subs and their tactics.
Tracking and identifying sub classes, subs, and the like is not nearly as easy as Hollywood makes it look. Sometimes tracking a sub and identifying it is like tracking a stray cat in NY City. Sometimes it is like looking for a particular needle in a stack of needles.

 

[MHz]

If a NK sub did get close enough to do that during a war game then every fuking commander from any American ship and SK ship could be tossed into the fuking ocean for all the good they are doing beacuse they cans defend anything.

As for your 'expertize', Red October is not the end all of sub warfare tactics. lol

 

[MHz]

If a NK sub did get close enough to do that during a war game then every fuking commander from any American ship and SK ship could be tossed into the fuking ocean for all the good they are doing beacuse they cans defend anything.

As for your 'expertize', Red October is not the end all of sub warfare tactics. lol

BTW To follow a ship first they have to get behind one, no NK ships were 'trolling' through what is always 'restricted waters'.

 

[L Gilbert]

Well inside South Korean waters, would that be among the many sea-floor mines that dot the area that is closed to commercial boats?
Nothing like riding a sinking ship all the way to the bottom. LOL

http://newamericamedia.org/2010/05/did-an-american-mine-sink-the-south-korean-ship.php

A rising mine, which is effective only in shallow waters, rests atop a small platform on the sea floor under a camouflage of sand and gravel. Its detection system uses acoustics and magnetic readings to pick up enemy ships and submarines. When activated, jets of compressed air or solid-fuel rockets lift the bomb, which self-guides toward the magnetic center of the target. The blast rips the keel, splitting the ship or submarine into two neat pieces, just as was done to the RKOS Cheonan.

How is it that a sonar op can pinpoint blips on the screen and tell which is fish and which is debris and miss a mine? How could said op miss sonic anomalies like small bursts of air or small explosive detonations? How come this "accident" happened shortly after NK threatened surprise attacks on SK and the US?
:roll:

 

[L Gilbert]

If a NK sub did get close enough to do that during a war game then every fuking commander from any American ship and SK ship could be tossed into the fuking ocean for all the good they are doing beacuse they cans defend anything.

WTF are you babbling about?

As for your 'expertize', Red October is not the end all of sub warfare tactics. lol

Grow up. Unlike you, I read stuff about real subs, real tactics, in real situations.
I did think Red October was entertaining, though. I found several things that were blatant BS in it.

 

[L Gilbert]

BTW To follow a ship first they have to get behind one, no NK ships were 'trolling' through what is always 'restricted waters'.

Idiot. It'd be a lot better for a sub to wander around underneath an enemy surface ship.

 

[MHz]

How is it that a sonar op can pinpoint blips on the screen and tell which is fish and which is debris and miss a mine? How could said op miss sonic anomalies like small bursts of air or small explosive detonations? How come this "accident" happened shortly after NK threatened surprise attacks on SK and the US?
:roll:

Are you serious?
First off you can't even find them in they are under the seafloor a short distance and once it targets a ship (in shallow water) it would not take very long between rising (being detectable) and detonation. (if they were even 'looking' when so close to home port (very secure area monitored by permanent equipment not some wandering little boat.

If the 'threat' was valid he would be confirming that NC subs can go wherever they wan no matter what measures the US sells SK. I also have my doubts that you are presenting a 'non-biased' version of what the 'threat' was. Even Israel seels Iran buying the S-400 as a 'threat'. Imagine if Lebanon and Syria had that system which could pick off Israeli aircraft before they could leave their own borders. That would make those 3 places feel safer than they are now.

 

[MHz]

Grow up. Unlike you, I read stuff about real subs, real tactics, in real situations.
I did think Red October was entertaining, though. I found several things that were blatant BS in it.

Like a German with a Scottish accent?

Idiot. It'd be a lot better for a sub to wander around underneath an enemy surface ship.

Like an Israel one under a American one coming in for some games? Care to speculate on why they (American ships) stayed so long after the games had been 'concluded'.

 

[L Gilbert]

Are you serious?

Yep.

First off you can't even find them in they are under the seafloor a short distance and once it targets a ship (in shallow water) it would not take very long between rising (being detectable) and detonation. (if they were even 'looking' when so close to home port (very secure area monitored by permanent equipment not some wandering little boat.

If the 'threat' was valid he would be confirming that NC subs can go wherever they wan no matter what measures the US sells SK. I also have my doubts that you are presenting a 'non-biased' version of what the 'threat' was. Even Israel seels Iran buying the S-400 as a 'threat'. Imagine if Lebanon and Syria had that system which could pick off Israeli aircraft before they could leave their own borders. That would make those 3 places feel safer than they are now.

Ah, so you are an expert now. I see.:roll:

 

[L Gilbert]

Like a German with a Scottish accent?

German? You can't even get the Hollywood versions of boomer warfare straight. Connery is a Scot, yes, but he played a Russian. rofl

Like an Israel one under a American one coming in for some games? Care to speculate on why they (American ships) stayed so long after the games had been 'concluded'.

:roll:

 

[MHz]

he played a Russian. rofl

lol busted, I even forget how many decades ago I saw the show lol

Even back then I was more interested in shows that are more documentary than intertainment. For subs the Kursk , anothe famouus German sub lol, would be something I have watched in the not too distant past.

 

[El Barto]

boooooooooooooooooooooring !!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111

 

[darkbeaver]

Those North Koreans must have very high tech as well as being the best submariners on the planet.