Mystery cat link or furry killer?

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Jul 25, 2007 09:27 PM
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PROVIDENCE, R.I.–Oscar the cat seems to have an uncanny knack for predicting when nursing home patients are going to die, by curling up next to them during their final hours.
His accuracy, observed in 25 cases, has led the staff to call family members once he has chosen someone. It usually means they have less than four hours to live.
"He doesn't make too many mistakes. He seems to understand when patients are about to die," said Dr. David Dosa in an interview. He describes the phenomenon in a poignant essay in Thursday's issue of the New England Journal of Medicine.
"Many family members take some solace from it. They appreciate the companionship that the cat provides for their dying loved one," said Dosa, a geriatrician and assistant professor of medicine at Brown University.
The 2-year-old feline was adopted as a kitten and grew up in a third-floor dementia unit at the Steere House Nursing and Rehabilitation Center. The facility treats people with Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and other illnesses.
After about six months, the staff noticed Oscar would make his own rounds, just like the doctors and nurses. He'd sniff and observe patients, then sit beside people who would wind up dying in a few hours.
Dosa said Oscar seems to take his work seriously and is generally aloof. "This is not a cat that's friendly to people," he said.
Oscar is better at predicting death than the people who work there, said Dr. Joan Teno of Brown University, who treats patients at the nursing home and is an expert on care for the terminally ill
She was convinced of Oscar's talent when he made his 13th correct call. While observing one patient, Teno said she noticed the woman wasn't eating, was breathing with difficulty and that her legs had a bluish tinge, signs that often mean death is near.
Oscar wouldn't stay inside the room though, so Teno thought his streak was broken. Instead, it turned out the doctor's prediction was roughly 10 hours too early. Sure enough, during the patient's final two hours, nurses told Teno that Oscar joined the woman at her bedside.
Doctors say most of the people who get a visit from the sweet-faced, gray-and-white cat are so ill they probably don't know he's there, so patients aren't aware he's a harbinger of death. Most families are grateful for the advanced warning, although one wanted Oscar out of the room while a family member died. When Oscar is put outside, he paces and meows his displeasure.
No one's certain if Oscar's behaviour is scientifically significant or points to a cause. Teno wonders if the cat notices telltale scents or reads something into the behaviour of the nurses who raised him.
Nicholas Dodman, who directs an animal behavioural clinic at the Tufts University Cummings School of Veterinary Medicine and has read Dosa's article, said the only way to know is to carefully document how Oscar divides his time between the living and dying.
If Oscar really is a furry grim reaper, it's also possible his behaviour could be driven by self-centred pleasures like a heated blanket placed on a dying person, Dodman said.
Nursing home staffers aren't concerned with explaining Oscar, so long as he gives families a better chance at saying goodbye to the dying.
Oscar recently received a wall plaque publicly commending his "compassionate hospice care."

Sheesh!
 

Curiosity

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I'd bet on the heated blanket rather than Oscar's forecasting abilities .. I love cat critter stories.

Cats are narcissists of the first order - little devils - and a warm bed with a very still human lying it in not moving around in pain or making loud noises (perhaps labored last breathing gets a bit noisy but it is rhythmic and the cat might find he enjoys that consistant sound....)

Still if it gets him attention and points and somehow helps people to be at their loved one's side for those last minutes is so important to many families... whatever works is all good.
 

Zzarchov

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Cats generally like to be near sick people, and I feel bad when I ruined my mom's view that her cats were comforting her years ago. They are waiting for someone to die so they can feed, its built in to them. Look at some forensics photos for people who die alone with cats in their home.
 

Twila

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Cats generally like to be near sick people, and I feel bad when I ruined my mom's view that her cats were comforting her years ago. They are waiting for someone to die so they can feed, its built in to them. Look at some forensics photos for people who die alone with cats in their home.
That's absurd. built into them, sheesh! next you'll tell us how they suck the breath out of babies!
 

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http://citypages.com/databank/18/878/article1849.asp
The man who probably knows more about anthropophagi than anyone else in the city of Minneapolis is the medical examiner, Dr. Gary Peterson. He probes through the bodies of people who die under suspicious circumstances: homicides, suicides, and especially men and women who are not found for days or weeks after death. These last, in Dr. Peterson's opinion, are most likely to suffer the effects of anthropophagi. In layman's terms, he explains, "It's kind of, the eating of--" he pauses, "--people. The pets that we usually encounter are cats and dogs and usually they don't do it until they run out of food."
In other words, since the deceased can no longer feed their pets, their pets feed on them. "The animal just gets desperate and the hunger drive and survival instinct takes over.
No different then the soccer players in the Andes, eh?
 

Twila

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Cats and dogs have excellent senses of smell...Dogs can sniff out cancer on a patient...so a cat sniffing out a dying patient is no different.

The cat can seek out any warm bed in a nursing home and many patients are so strung out on morphine (especially those in the dementia wing) that it's seeking out of those who are dying is because it knows death is coming not because the patient is not moving
 

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That's absurd. built into them, sheesh! next you'll tell us how they suck the breath out of babies!

How do you know that cats can't detect thing that humans cannot? For a start, they have a better sense of sight, smell and hearing than humans do. It is obvious that this cat DOES know, somehow, when a person is about to die.
 

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How do you know that cats can't detect thing that humans cannot? For a start, they have a better sense of sight, smell and hearing than humans do. It is obvious that this cat DOES know, somehow, when a person is about to die.

A real cat wouldn't care.
 

Twila

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your definition of a "real" cat is a cat owned by somebody who hasn't the first clue about real cats. Cats are very affectionate. I grew up with cats, I volunteer at a cat shelter, I have 2 formerly feral cats that are extremely affectionate. Mine are real cats. The cats at the shelter are real cats and very very affectionate.

Blackleaf, thanks for the clarification on the players. I'd gone by memory on that one...
 

karrie

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Plenty of animals can sense distress, and seek to comfort people. I really don't see why this animal would be any different. Not all cats have the same narcissistic personalities. If elephants have been shown to aid one another, getting the whole herd together to help one who is stuck or injured, then why would a cat not be willing to help in the only way it knows when someone is dying?

Animals have been proven to know much more about the world around them than humans. Panicking and hiding hours before big storms hit, before earthquakes occur, stuff like that. My dog starts freaking out and shaking when thunder is still about a half hour away. Don't try to tell me that with hearing like that, she wouldn't be able to hear a waning heart.

Dogs have been trained to detect skin cancer for crying out loud. You really don't think a cat could smell when someone's organs are shutting down? If it's grown up around this sort of thing ALL the time?
 

Twila

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How do you know that cats can't detect thing that humans cannot? For a start, they have a better sense of sight, smell and hearing than humans do. It is obvious that this cat DOES know, somehow, when a person is about to die.

I KNOW cats detect things humans can't. See my other posts about cats.
 

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:grommit:Cats and dogs can sense things we can't.

For instance, when our dog pees on the rug, she knows right away that we will be upset:angry3:

She knows automatically to go to her "house"...................carry kennel (where she feels secure)

Too bad she forgot I can pick up the damn thing and dump her on the floor:angryfire::angry3:

But I don't. Never have. Mostly she's housetrained.

But, when my mother-in-law died, her dog went downstairs, over to her food bowl.......................................and ate supper.:dontknow:

She never told us that maw was kikkin off:angel5:

Maybe if she had been a cat......................:laughing6:

Time to take the dog for a walk:walk::wave:
 

MikeyDB

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Rats won't breed with other rats that are diseased.

Rats and cats..... too kuel....
 

Twila

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Rats won't breed with other rats that are diseased.

Rats and cats..... too kuel..
Rats are amazing creatures! If 1 rat eats something that makes it sick not only will it not eat that type of thing again non of it's children or group will either!
Rats can't throw up so they have to be very careful about what they'll eat.


Originally Posted by Blackleaf
Rugby players.
What's the story behind this one?
A plane full of Rugby players crashed in the Andes mtns. They were starving and ate some of the dead to survive. There was a movie made about it.
 

DurkaDurka

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A plane full of Rugby players crashed in the Andes mtns. They were starving and ate some of the dead to survive. There was a movie made about it.

"Alive". I recall watching that movie... I remember them cutting chunks off one of the guys ass cheek and making a buffet out of it.
 

Zzarchov

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Isn't it ignoring the fact to claim this cat is out to comfort people and that it must be affectionate and not the aloof stereotypical cat.

It flat out tells you in the article it hates all the patients, does not want or give affection and only shows up when they (the people it dislikes) are about to die.

You love your kitty, thats great, but transferance much?