My second thoughts on supply-management: subsidies are even worse.

White_Unifier

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No, you adamantly claimed Canadian producers where subsidized until you learned otherwise thanks to yours truly.

I said maybe. I didn't know.

The US subdidizes yheir corn farmers on the scale that they subsidize their defence establishment. It is a massive amount of $$$.

If the US taxpayer wants to subsidize the food Canadians consume, we should thank them for it.
 

White_Unifier

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Now you do. You should research before you post.



How do you think it benefits Canadians? Have you seen the price differences comparing US produce to Canadian?

Logic tells me that if the US taxpayer is subsidizing US agricultural businesses, and a Canadian buys a product from that business, then that US taxpayer has just indirectly subsidized that Canadian's food purchase.
 

taxslave

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Manitoba has lost 14,000 hog farmers since 1971.

https://www.country-guide.ca/2016/06/06/where-have-all-the-hog-farmers-gone/49105/

Very few producers are producing very much pork.

That is the future of farming if we go down the no supply management route.

So what is the problem with that?
For supply management to work properly it has to be run by the producers, not government.
Our wacked out Supply Management has dairy Farmers in the Frazer Valley regularly dumping excess milk production on the ground because they are not permitted to sell it to local chease producers or even as hog food just to protect Ontario and Quebec producers.
Supply Management is diametrically opposed to free enterprise.
This is the same as limiting the supply of important cars to ensure our manufacturers can sell all they produce.
 

Bar Sinister

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Ah ha! You clued in that there aren't any dairy subsidies.

Good to hear.



The decline in farmers is due to advancements in technology and capacity.

5X more land can be worked by 1 producer than 30 years ago.




Correct, but the number is also declining because the average farmer is much older than the Canadian average. Farming is hard work and often features an element of risk. Fewer and fewer people are willing to engage in that pursuit, especially in the type of farming that requires the farmer to be on site every day of the year.



Canadian farmers getting older; fewer but larger farms: agriculture census



https://globalnews.ca/news/3441426/...er-fewer-but-larger-farms-agriculture-census/
 

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Supply-management does not affect me directly as a vegan shopper in Canada as far as I know. As far as I know, the Government does not subsidize milk products but rather just limits competition. This means that the buyers of milk products bear the full brunt of the cost of milk-production in Canada. If Canada should adopt the US policy of subsidizing milk products, then I would be subsidizing other people's milk purchases even though I don't buy milk products myself. looking at it from the standpoint of user-pay, supply-management far surpasses subsidies both economically and morally.

Should push come to shove, Canada should propose that the US adopt a North-American supply-management system and stop subsidizing its milk products. I'm not saying that supply-management is a good thing, but just that subsidies are even worse and I don't want us to jump from the frying pan of supply-management into the fire of subsidies.


 

White_Unifier

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Uh, no. I was just interested in why you now go by White Unifer here when once you were known as Machjo. .

I'm White and I believe in unity, thus 'White Unifier.'

I took up this new name after a poster accused me of being a racist. I opposed the Government's motion against Islamophobia since, while I could have supported a motion against all prejudice on the basis of religion, opposed one that singled out prejudice against a particular religion. Apparently, that made me racist. I figured that if I was going to be called a racist anyway, I might as well own it.
 

WLDB

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I say eliminate supply management and subsidies. Let them sink or swim on their own.
 

White_Unifier

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I say eliminate supply management and subsidies. Let them sink or swim on their own.

I support dismantling supply-management in principle, but only on the condition that it doesn't lead to subsidies. Imagine the following:

Bernier Party wins a majority in the next federal election and dismantles supply-management. Four years later, Farmer party wins a majority and decides to introduce subsidies to replace it. Great, now we'd just have replaced supply-management with subsidies. If there was a broad consensus between parties that eliminating supply-management would not lead to subsidies, I could support it, but I would want that reassurance first.
 

Mowich

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I'm White and I believe in unity, thus 'White Unifier.'

I took up this new name after a poster accused me of being a racist. I opposed the Government's motion against Islamophobia since, while I could have supported a motion against all prejudice on the basis of religion, opposed one that singled out prejudice against a particular religion. Apparently, that made me racist. I figured that if I was going to be called a racist anyway, I might as well own it.


Oh, I just thought you were hiding your real identity from us. I've been called a racist many times but it never occurred to me that I should change the name I comment under. I prefer to own my comments no matter how others may see them. But, to each their own Machjo.....er.......White Unifer.
 

Curious Cdn

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Oh, I just thought you were hiding your real identity from us. I've been called a racist many times but it never occurred to me that I should change the name I comment under. I prefer to own my comments no matter how others may see them. But, to each their own Machjo.....er.......White Unifer.


I really am curious ...



AND Canadian!