You are subsidising it either way, through supply management is user subsidy, why not supply management through demand? aren't you the one that wants tariffs removed? Well here is one for you, remove the tariff on Milk drinkers, and egg eaters
My second thoughts on supply-management: subsidies are even worse.
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I'm looking at the lesser of evils here. I dislike tariffs, but I dislike subsidies even more. Tariffs, for all their harm, have at least 2 virtues:
1. They increase government revenue (subsidies increase government expenditure), and
2. They are more user-pay (only the buyer pays for it, unlike subsidies that all taxpayers pay for).
I think Bernier needs to watch that we don't end up replacing a lesser evil by a greater evil.
As long as you are satisfied with your answers that is all that counts
I can change my mind. Just a few days ago, I really did support Bernier's idea on dismantling the Dairy cartel. Then I read a reminder in the news that the US subsidizes its dairy more than Canada does its. That got me wondering whether by dismantling the dairy cartel, we'd just end up giving it more subsidies instead. I'm undecided on that. The question how to ensure that we don't end up just replacing one with the other.
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There are multiple subsidies in the US economy, although some of them are hidden, such as the generous contracts given to developers of military hardware. But US agriculture has ridden on subsidies for decades. As usual the Americans are whining about something that they are guilty of as well.
What Are U.S. Farm Subsidies?
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies
What Are U.S. Farm Subsidies?
https://www.thoughtco.com/us-farm-subsidies-3325162
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/agriculture/subsidies
Maybe Freeland should try to sell the US on supply-management as a way to eliminate subsidies. At least it would make it more user-pay.
Manitoba has lost 14,000 hog farmers since 1971.
https://www.country-guide.ca/2016/06/06/where-have-all-the-hog-farmers-gone/49105/
Very few producers are producing very much pork.
That is the future of farming if we go down the no supply management route.
https://www.country-guide.ca/2016/06/06/where-have-all-the-hog-farmers-gone/49105/
Very few producers are producing very much pork.
That is the future of farming if we go down the no supply management route.
Supply management is in full force if the demand is high the prices rise, if the demand is low the prices drop.
If supply is high the prices drop, if the supply is low prices rise.
If supply is high the prices drop, if the supply is low prices rise.
Er... vegetarianism has grown over the years too. That creates an inevitable drop in demand regardless of tariffs, subsidies, or whatever else. How have Canada's non-animal agriculture been doing in comparison?
I am a yogourt -holic and I love the variety.
Supply management aka. a cartel has to go.
As long as subsidies don't replace it, then I agree with you. The moment the government talks of replacing it with subsidy increases, I'll back supply-management.
I doubt veganism has had much of an impact, especially as Canada's exports to countries like China have steadily increased. The decline in the number of farmers in Canada is due to multiple factors, but veganism is not one of them.
Ah ha! You clued in that there aren't any dairy subsidies.
Good to hear.
I doubt veganism has had much of an impact, especially as Canada's exports to countries like China have steadily increased. The decline in the number of farmers in Canada is due to multiple factors, but veganism is not one of them.
The decline in farmers is due to advancements in technology and capacity.
5X more land can be worked by 1 producer than 30 years ago.
Mmm, mmm.
Ba-con!!!
U,S.A subsidizes its farmers. The Feds use tax $$$ from across the nation. This helps the farmer, and keeps retail prices lower for the consumer.
Surely that has to be better than a cartel of 15,000 farmers whom the Canuckistanian Feds allow prices to be approx double what they should be for 30,000,000 Canadians.
Dairy and eggs are excellent foods which are a necessity for raising healthy children and low income parents are suffering by having to pay too much.
But of course, socialist govts don't care.
The US subdidizes yheir corn farmers on the scale that they subsidize their defence establishment. It is a massive amount of $$$.
Yep Bush II put together a Trillion dollar fund to support their farmers in his first term.
My concern is that cutting supply-management could lead to subsidies, which would be even worse.
How is that better? A Canadian who does not buy milk gives not one cent of his to a dairy farmer. A US(SR) resident who does not buy milk is still forced to pay taxes to subsidize his neighbour's milk consumption. At least the Canadian does have a choice whereas his US(SR) counterpart doesn't.
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