They have been around since anti d`s and antipsychotics started being doled out... many people suffered postparum in the past... long before pills came around. oman didnt kill their children. They may not have aken up cheerful everyday, but this nonsense didnt happen.. not until drugs came into it.. Look into it for your self..
Murder Suicide and How Toxicology Reports Are Hidden
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They have been around since anti d`s and antipsychotics started being doled out... many people suffered postparum in the past... long before pills came around. oman didnt kill their children. They may not have aken up cheerful everyday, but this nonsense didnt happen.. not until drugs came into it.. Look into it for your self..
lol!!! I know for a fact it happened before anti-d's, and happens where anti-d's aren't present.
btw, Andrea Yates conviction was overturned due to false testimony from a psychiatrist, claiming that she planned the murders to follow a tv show plot.
Is discontinuation syndrome brought on by therapeutic drug use? If you stop using, you aren't "on the drug" why would you qualify for any stats of therapeutic drugs users and crime.Tonnington said:
The rates for "switching" (drug induced hyper/hypo mania) are a proven annoyance of SSRI/SNRI drugs.
Bi-polars and the likes do a fine job of getting into nasty situations without "discontinuation syndrome" and "switched on hyper/hypo mania" so how can there not be an increase?
Try it out for yourself. See what taking and discontinuing is like for yourself.
Just tell your doc you have a neuropathy issue of numbness and tingling in your toes from past non-soft tissue loss frostbite and you'd like to try Cymbalta an SNRI or serotonin norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor.
He/she won't hesitate in following through with your request. It is after all the most marketed Rx to treat the posted neuropathy symptoms.
Dose up for at least 16 weeks and then go cold turkey.
Keep a detailed journal from day one right up until the discontinuation syndrome has subsided 3-4 weeks later. Have your woman keep a journal noting any personality changes in you as well.
It's fairly safe with an LD50 of (male rat) 491 mg/kg
What do you have to lose?
Homeless people are part of such drug studies all the time. The same studies used to create happy results for FDA approval.
Just think about it. Your study won't be biased because you have a home, an income and don't need another 3 points of heroin before sundown.
Come on. Take the Pepsi Challenge!
Exactly Petros...
Wouldnt you believe a study by Maxwell House, Nescafe and Folgers.. that says caffeine isnt addictive????
It appears that for what ever reason many here at Canadian Content dont want to believe the harsh reality that whether or not antidepressanst and antipsychotics work for many, clearly they hurt many too..
It is very sad that many people dont want to see this reality. Its all around us. Common trends speak volumes. To think the general population is relying on studies done by the people who profit is crazy to me..
To hear that as long as nothing "scientific" has been proven is alarming.. I keep going back to Tholidomide where it was the common trend that got peoples attention.
Meanwhile we are waiting trial for an Edmonton mother who killed hr son, 2 weeks ago and it was released yesterday that the police seized ABILIFY that carries the adverse waring of homicidal suicidal ideation along with loss of reality.....
Until people start doing the research and speaking out nothing will change...
Our babies will be continue to be forcefed pills that will potentially hurt them while we all blame "depression and aspergers" We need to wake up and come together... I cant figure out why smart everyday people are so resistent to see the reality... What a battle!
God Bless all the victims of psychopharmaceuticals...
Wouldnt you believe a study by Maxwell House, Nescafe and Folgers.. that says caffeine isnt addictive????
It appears that for what ever reason many here at Canadian Content dont want to believe the harsh reality that whether or not antidepressanst and antipsychotics work for many, clearly they hurt many too..
It is very sad that many people dont want to see this reality. Its all around us. Common trends speak volumes. To think the general population is relying on studies done by the people who profit is crazy to me..
To hear that as long as nothing "scientific" has been proven is alarming.. I keep going back to Tholidomide where it was the common trend that got peoples attention.
Meanwhile we are waiting trial for an Edmonton mother who killed hr son, 2 weeks ago and it was released yesterday that the police seized ABILIFY that carries the adverse waring of homicidal suicidal ideation along with loss of reality.....
Until people start doing the research and speaking out nothing will change...
Our babies will be continue to be forcefed pills that will potentially hurt them while we all blame "depression and aspergers" We need to wake up and come together... I cant figure out why smart everyday people are so resistent to see the reality... What a battle!
God Bless all the victims of psychopharmaceuticals...
Did you know there are neonatal teams that deal strictly with newborns who have to spend the first couple of weeks of life alone from it's mother screaming, twitching, shaking, kicking and flailing violently and God only knows what over enhanced emotions and fvcked up dreams they deal with while going through SSRI/SNRI withdrawl.nomoredrugs said:
Traumatized during the time they are supposed to forming inseperable bonds with parents and siblings.
These children are mentally and emotionally scarred for life.
These kids aren't turning out normal and are slapped on sh!t like concerta, ritalin, celexa at the first signs of developemental issues as young as age 3.
WTF is going on?
They used to have great big buildings to store them where they could lobotomize them and shock them too - only we didn't see it
To say you know what it's like through statistics is baseless unless you have personal experience to verify.
I definetly like getting a boner from my wife better than getting a boner from a naked chick in a magazine.
The term "Psychedelic" was coined by a nut Dr in Weyburn SK. He was personally experimenting with LSD it himself and treating alcoholics quite sucessfully with LSD. Leary was inspired by this Dr in Sask.
I heard ya the first time gerryh. I just wanted to talk about getting a boner. lol
Petros,
Isnt it sad? Whats even more sad is the society we live in is pretty well a " Stepford Society" We believe what we read, we dont ask questions and we turn a blind eye to what goes on around us...
We are so hellbent in wanting to believe that a head pill will solve the journey of life. No more upos and downs..
We want to replace parenting, with a pill
we can stop children from being children, with a pill
fix the elderly from complaining, with a pill
make the teachers job easier with a pill and the list goes on and on....
In the meantime no one is learning how 30 minutes a day of excercise is essential for good mental health
proper diet of vitamin b rich food, along with omega's and most importantly getting to know oneself...
Knowing who we are ..the good and the bad and embracing ourselves... becoming self aware of our actions..
Living in the moment and enjoying our today and our loud kids, and whining parents... instead of believing that these mind pills are the answer..finding people to talk to, sitting down every night to write down who we are and who we want to be, writing down our values and knowing ourself seems to be something our society has lost. We are being taught that we all need pills to function and that we are all sick.......
Lets keep defending the pharmaceutical companies...and
I think it's abundantly clear to you that the people discussing it with you don't have blind faith in anti-depressants and pharmaceutical companies.
If I was talking to someone considering these medications due to a down time in their life, I'd highly encourage them to consider counselling first and foremost, and to not let docs put them on these meds without proper mental health care. The way our health care system currently prescribes them and follows through with care is flawed.
What I wouldn't do however, is vilify the meds and tell them 'no more drugs!', because long before anti-d's were around, people committed suicide, killed one another, and killed their children. I don't think my conscience could bear being the one who scares someone away from meds they might truly need.
If I was talking to someone considering these medications due to a down time in their life, I'd highly encourage them to consider counselling first and foremost, and to not let docs put them on these meds without proper mental health care. The way our health care system currently prescribes them and follows through with care is flawed.
What I wouldn't do however, is vilify the meds and tell them 'no more drugs!', because long before anti-d's were around, people committed suicide, killed one another, and killed their children. I don't think my conscience could bear being the one who scares someone away from meds they might truly need.
I think constant harping on drug bad people good is more than enough incentive for someone who resents his/her chemical straitjacket to actually dump it - then trade pharmaceutical for drug-of-choice. There are repercussions for everything in your own broad-brush approach too....
For some, it's not about defending the Pharmaceuticals, but more of not being so brain dead as to buy into the fear mongers.
No one with a conscience could Karrie.
What disturbs me about this pattern of posting rhetoric is that it comes off as rhetoric. Despite the fact that I believe there may be plausible reasons to investigate and be concerned about some of these incidences, that reasonableness is being buried in what comes off as fear mongering. And that makes me even more skeptical than the possibility of undisclosed drug side effects in the first place.
+1000
There is no such thing as a side effect. They are ALL direct effects.
No kidding hey?
I've done my time pushing against anti-depressants due to my experience on them. Until I saw one of my girlfriends' moms decide she really WAS well, she didn't need to be on pills, she could handle her bipolar disorder the good old fashioned way.
She went off her meds, and she did really well for almost six months. And then she snuck off on a walk and tried to kill herself.
And I met my friend who would spend her nights praying her schizophrenic brother would stay on his meds, so he'd be normal.
And I met my friend whose son was newly diagnosed as schizophrenic, and heard her talk about what a relief it was for them all when the docs got him onto a decent medication regimen.
The number of people these meds have helped bring back from the brink is too huge for my ego to get in the way of. I still tell my tale as a caution, because it deserves to be. But I don't feel the need to push my health plan on people who aren't me.
btw, for anyone curious about the assertion that filicide is new, and the result of anti-depressant use, here's just one of many resources out there that talks about filicide and the role post partum mental health plays in it, and always has.
Filicide: Historical review and prevention of child death by parent - Koenen - 2008 - Infant Mental Health Journal - Wiley Online Library
Hi Karrie,
It is unfair for you to deem what is or isnt abundantly clear for someone else. I have seen many posts from different people writing on this topic, which reflect "blind faith"..
Although I have told you more than once, I have never stated that my intention or hope is to ban these drugs completely, you still seem to conclude that is my message, when it isnt. If anything when I joined I tried many different variations for a name to no avail, until I tried this.
I would have liked the name
"No more new addicted people to psychopharmaceuticals without their prior knowledge of the adverse reactions and how adverse reactions stats are calculated" (but it said my name was too long ..)
In your pointing out how you would handle a situation, Im glad that you would go about it the way you have suggested. Hopefully this topic that we have been discussing will have enlightened other people or at least lead some to do some more reading on these drugs.
If we are all to assume that noone in society has blind faith with psychopharmaceuticals, then nothing will change.
I have brought much good (researched) information to this forum where hopefully someone who is doing reading could be intrigued on the subject and become interested enough to do their own research, and advocate for the victims of psychopharmaceuticals.
Furthermore, whether or not I wanted these drugs banned has nothing to do with the information I have brought..
From what I can see, you've brought more misinformation and half formed opinions, than you have facts. You keep trying to lay the blame for these murders solely at the feet of pharmaceuticals, ignoring years of diagnosed post partum issues in the Yates case for example, and guessing as to anti-d use in other cases.
There is more than enough actual, factual information out there about the side effects and problems that exist with anti-d's, that you don't need to grasp at straws or flat out lie, to warn people about the importance of education when choosing their mental health care.