Mulroney slams Trudeau as lacking moral fibre

[karrie]

This is just for the city of Ottawa:
http://www.languagefairness.org/City_of_Ottawa_Bilingual_Costs.php


Some figure it's on the order of 4-10 billion a year.
http://www.carleton.ca/jmc/cnews/20102000/c2.htm

Others estimate $60 billion since 1968:
http://www.writersblock.ca/spring2002/busword.htm


But apparently, according to the government, the 'people' say it's a great idea! Spin, spin, spin...

I always wonder when I hear the complaints about cost... what would the alternative have cost?

The fighting with the Quebecois, possible separation, loss of tax funds from one of our msot populous provinces, what would that have cost, when all is factored in?

 

[Tonington]

I don't think you can put a price on an intact Canada. Some out there might think it inconsequential if Quebec separated, not me.

 

[karrie]

I'm with you on that Tonington. Having so much Franco background though probably highly influences my viewpoint. I come from a very French area of Alberta, where most people don't begrudge the rights of their fellow countrymen to have access to the government and to schooling.

 

[Locutus]

I always wonder when I hear the complaints about cost... what would the alternative have cost?

The fighting with the Quebecois, possible separation, loss of tax funds from one of our msot populous provinces, what would that have cost, when all is factored in?

How long do you keep paying a kidnapper (or blackmailer for that matter) after the first payment is made and the victim is still alive? We allow ourselves to be held hostage by quebec. Why do we allow and finance, a federal party who's sole purpose is to separate? Gimme a break. Trudeaumaniacs began paying the ransom and we're too afraid to stop it.

 

[CDNBear]

How long do you keep paying a kidnapper (or blackmailer for that matter) after the first payment is made and the victim is still alive? We allow ourselves to be held hostage by quebec. Why do we allow and finance, a federal party who's sole purpose is to separate? Gimme a break. Trudeaumaniacs began paying the ransom and we're too afraid to stop it.

Well said!!!

 

[Tonington]

How long do you keep paying a kidnapper (or blackmailer for that matter) after the first payment is made and the victim is still alive? We allow ourselves to be held hostage by quebec. Why do we allow and finance, a federal party who's sole purpose is to separate? Gimme a break. Trudeaumaniacs began paying the ransom and we're too afraid to stop it.

Maybe it's me, but I don't equate funds spent on French Canadians as ransom. There are francophones in other provinces, we have quite a few here in the Maritimes.

Why do we allow our elected officials to continue giving to Quebec for votes. Harper gave them a nice fat cheque this year. Mulroney gave a substantial aircraft deal to Quebec even though Manitoba's bid was lower and the company better rated.

Perhaps if Harper used leverage for what Quebec wants, by true electoral reform, ie. Ontario and Quebec lose seats, we wouldn't have PM's continually giving fat cheques to Quebec for votes which are very expensive.

 

[lone wolf]

Quebec won't separate. They have too much to lose if they did. Aside from the public purse, the Cree Nation have already warned where they stand - and that includes all the James Bay Power Project lands. Quebec can try to nationalize things and make money from tenant operations on roads and railways through the province/nation. With billions invested in the St Lawrence Seaway, how long do you suppose Uncle Sam is going to tolerate a French thumb on its throat? To become a state? Quebec will be so pleased the first time Bill 101 is challenged as unconstitutional.

Wolf

 

[CDNBear]

Quebec won't separate. They have too much to lose if they did. Aside from the public purse, the Cree Nation have already warned where they stand - and that includes all the James Bay Power Project lands.

Wolf

I've warned these people of this very fact...numerous times...and lets not forget the Mohawk Nations along the Seaway...

 

[JoeSchmoe]

Harper is attempting to bribe Quebec every bit as much as any Liberal ever did.... same crap, different smell. They are practically the same party with very little difference between their policies. Both have show great capacity for coruption.

Canadians seem too stupid to vote for anyone else.... except in Quebec.... so we are blessed with this 2-party (1 party?) rule.

 

[Unforgiven]

Harper is attempting to bribe Quebec every bit as much as any Liberal ever did.... same crap, different smell. They are practically the same party with very little difference between their policies. Both have show great capacity for coruption.

Canadians seem too stupid to vote for anyone else.... except in Quebec.... so we are blessed with this 2-party (1 party?) rule.

Doesn't it seem to be the end game for all parties? Like Animal Farm. No matter who it is, they devolve to oinkers.

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

I guess when someone is found innocent...they really aren't lest they are a Liberal???

That has more to do with Canadas very lax white-collar crime laws. No one was ever convicted in Bri-X and that cost stockholders several billion and Nortel has been up to some of the shady accounting practices that have landed US executives in jail. Even Conrad Black had to tried under US law. The other end of the Mulroney-Airbus connection did end up being convicted for making payoffs for business, I guess Europe has better corporate laws than we do too.

No...You're right, he didn't...He led our nation in to the toilet and now we circle the bowl...
Or present the nation with a viable economic future...Oh those nasty hi paying tech jobs that came to Canada...must have been an instant Liberal intiative...

The US had hundreds of protectionist bills on the floor in the mid 80s and Mulroney caved, just like Harper did over softwood. And in case you haven't noticed, Canadian owned corporations are rapidly disappearing, a trend that began with the lifting of controls under Mulroney.

Peirre Elliot Traitor...:lol:

And Mulroney mistook Regans ass for the Blarney Stone...:lol:

 

[Cobalt_Kid]

This is just part of a new conservative offensive against the Liberals anyway. They can't stand on their record which is a joke so they're back to slamming the only other real political option Canadians have right now. People have gotten tired of hearing how terrible Dion is in slick attack ads so a new approach has been taken where one of Canadas most prominent and effective leaders ever is being dragged through the mud.

Classic Sleazin' Harper, what he can't do openly he'll do in the dark. Seig Heil.

 

[Albertabound]

NAFTA was a good move, but it was only possible because of the GST.

Tell that to a farmer, better stay out of arms reach though. GST, well......what can I say.
If I ever got a chance to take a swing at the big chin of his. I would definitely take it

Too bad all the GST goes to the banksters.

 

[YoungJoonKim]

From historical view, I would like Trudeau better...much more because I am an immigrant

 

[Zzarchov]

I've warned these people of this very fact...numerous times...and lets not forget the Mohawk Nations along the Seaway...

There is a reason we set up Empire Loyalists along the route and drove out the Native Pro-french Wendat. Its cold and heartless, but it seems centuries later it still provides a strangle hold on "New France".

That being said if Quebec wants to go I think it should go and we shouldn't fight over it. If it wants to take others who don't want to leave with them...then I'd re-enlist.

But if they wanted to take half of Manitoba and NB (and they wanted to go) I'd be for that too.


But if they want to stay, even if it costs us alot, I'd like that too. Because its probably still alot cheaper than the wealth we would lose.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Mulroney's never forgiven Trudeau for scuppering Meech Lake and, in his view, rendering uncertain the decision of history on which of them will go down as Canada's greatest prime minister of the 20th century. That's mostly what this is about. And book sales might also be a factor. Maybe he's forgotten Elijah Harper's role in things. There's also a fairly significant body of opinion that holds that the devolution of federal powers to the provinces provided for in the Meech Lake accord would have balkanized and ultimately destroyed the federation. That was essentially Trudeau's argument, and I'm inclined to agree with it. I never thought Meech Lake was a good idea, but that's a subject for another thread.

 

[CDNBear]

That has more to do with Canadas very lax white-collar crime laws. No one was ever convicted in Bri-X and that cost stockholders several billion and Nortel has been up to some of the shady accounting practices that have landed US executives in jail. Even Conrad Black had to tried under US law. The other end of the Mulroney-Airbus connection did end up being convicted for making payoffs for business, I guess Europe has better corporate laws than we do too.

Oh so the Gomery Report nailed it then?

Martian, the finance minister had no knowledge of where the money went?

That either indicates he was a complete boob, or complicit.

You can't have it both ways.

The US had hundreds of protectionist bills on the floor in the mid 80s and Mulroney caved, just like Harper did over softwood. And in case you haven't noticed, Canadian owned corporations are rapidly disappearing, a trend that began with the lifting of controls under Mulroney.

So folding half way, was worse then not negotiating at all and crippling our economy?

And Mulroney mistook Regans ass for the Blarney Stone...:lol:

I won't argue that, but it's still a matter of how you view the facts. Mulroney's actions with regards to deals with the US benefitted Canadians in the long run. Trudeau's...well we'll just keep on paying and paying.

Look I'm not defending Mulroney, I hate the fact that it sounds like I am, but in the lesser of two evils, I'll take Mulroney any time.

 

[#juan]

Mulroney slams Trudeau as lacking moral fibre :

This from the dickhead who added forty or fifty billion dollars to our debt in every one of the nine years he was in office.

 

[CDNBear]

This from the dickhead who added forty or fifty billion dollars to our debt in every one of the nine years he was in office.

I'll take a fiscally irresponcable dickhead over a Nazi sympathizing wanna be socialist dictator anytime.

 

[Tonington]

Martian =boob, lol