Mr. Abdelrazik abandoned by Harper Government

[elevennevele]

Hi darkbeaver. Very nice to see you again.

 

[CDNBear]

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nit picking? You broke up my comments into 10 different sections. Do you even try to remotely set an example of what you attempt to criticize others for? The rant is like trying to read the side of a zebra. A very emotional zebra who seems to have a problem with someone who cares to discuss an innocent's man be given his legal rights as a Canadian Citizen.

That's all you got?

More accusations of emotions...:roll:

Have you got more then this coming? Seriously?

Or can I stack you up with the rest of your ilk, like Darkbeaver?..empty rhetoric.

 

[Liberalman]

You can’t accuse the Conservative government for being colour blind they just prefer to help white people as his lawyer said.

Cannon pulled the ministerial temporary passport two hours before his flight out of there.

Mr. Abdelrazik has been living in the Canadian Embassy for a year and then Cannon decides he is a terrorist eventhough he was not convicted.

As the lawyer went on to say that the white women convicted drug runner was wisked away from Mexico by the Canadian government to serve her sentence here in Canada where she is already free that’s OK.

Canada is on the human rights platfom but it is clear that a black person will not get the same treatment.

All I can say about the Conservatives I think of them when I am on the beach because all I hear is flip flop and more flip flop

 

[elevennevele]

elevennevele: What exactly are you regarding as 'left fringe' with regards to my postings? That I'm standing up for this guy's human rights? I thought Conservative values were about standing up for basic rights too. Is that not the case?

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My point being, defending Canadian Citizens to have their legal rights as a Canadian Citizen, 'protected and granted' is something I'm pretty sure both Liberals or Conservatives would want to both represent. That concept goes across both sides of the political aisle.

So it makes no sense attacking the argument on the basis of it being a Liberal viewpoint.

 

[CDNBear]

You can’t accuse the Conservative government for being colour blind they just prefer to help white people as his lawyer said.

Cannon pulled the ministerial temporary passport two hours before his flight out of there.

Mr. Abdelrazik has been living in the Canadian Embassy for a year and then Cannon decides he is a terrorist eventhough he was not convicted.

As the lawyer went on to say that the white women convicted drug runner was wisked away from Mexico by the Canadian government to serve her sentence here in Canada where she is already free that’s OK.

Canada is on the human rights platfom but it is clear that a black person will not get the same treatment.

All I can say about the Conservatives I think of them when I am on the beach because all I hear is flip flop and more flip flop

The left invented the 'flip flop'...;-)

They should have left her to rot in a Mexican jail. We need to stop meddling in the judicial affairs of other nations.

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My point being, defending Canadian Citizens to have their legal rights as a Canadian Citizen, 'protected and granted' is something I'm pretty sure both Liberals or Conservatives would want to both represent. That concept goes across both sides of the political aisle.

So it makes no sense attacking the argument on the basis of it being a Liberal viewpoint.

Which is why I'm not arguing it from that perspective...at least not with you anyways.

Liberalman is much like you, only he's a lover of dead fascists to boot...:lol:

BTW...does he have a legal basis to return to Canada...sure...do I care? No, not really. I'm still trying to figure out why he hasn't demanded the Sudanese Gov't help him. And to that effect...why haven't you demanded his 'other' nation assist him?

 

[elevennevele]

What perspective would that be CDNBear? You aren't being very clear here.

CDNBear: I'm cold and calculated. Everything I type is typed to elicit a response. Some call it trolling. I call it seperating the wheat from the chaf.

I'm waiting for the calculating part. The separating of the 'wheat from the chaff.' So far I'm only watching a guy whose trying very hard to sharpen his lump of cheese.

 

[CDNBear]

What perspective would that be CDNBear? You aren't being very clear here.

Is English your second language? Or do you have a reading comprehension issue?

I'm waiting for the calculating part. The separating of the 'wheat from the chaff.' So far I'm only watching a guy whose trying very hard to sharpen his lump of cheese.

8O
I'm lactose intolerant...;-)

 

[elevennevele]

CDNBear: Is English your second language? Or do you have a comprehension issue?

No, and I'm asking you what your point really is on this forum. Do you have one?

 

[shadowshiv]

Enough! Stick to the topic people! Stop with the personal attacks.:roll:

 

[gerryh]

Bear..... just a few questions for you

1: Has it been established that this man is a Canadian Citizen?

2: Has he commited any crimes that would preclude him from retaining that citizenship?

3: Does Canada, by Canadian laws and constitution, have an obligation to help repatriate him?


Now, these are very straight forward and simple questions. Le's try to keep our personal opinions and feelings out of this and just answer from a legal stand point, because it really doesn't fricken matter what you feel or what your opinion is. If you don't like the way the law reads or is interpreted, then take the proper channels to remedy that.

 

[CDNBear]

Bear..... just a few questions for you

1: Has it been established that this man is a Canadian Citizen?

No.

2: Has he commited any crimes that would preclude him from retaining that citizenship?

Not as far as I know.

3: Does Canada, by Canadian laws and constitution, have an obligation to help repatriate him?

Not as far as I know.

Now, these are very straight forward and simple questions. Le's try to keep our personal opinions and feelings out of this and just answer from a legal stand point, because it really doesn't fricken matter what you feel or what your opinion is. If you don't like the way the law reads or is interpreted, then take the proper channels to remedy that.

Bite me ya old curmudgeon!

I was having with E...then Shiv went and got all pro like with me, now you...I might take my ball and go home...:lol:

 

[Francis2004]

Bear..... just a few questions for you

1: Has it been established that this man is a Canadian Citizen?

2: Has he commited any crimes that would preclude him from retaining that citizenship?

3: Does Canada, by Canadian laws and constitution, have an obligation to help repatriate him?


Now, these are very straight forward and simple questions. Le's try to keep our personal opinions and feelings out of this and just answer from a legal stand point, because it really doesn't fricken matter what you feel or what your opinion is. If you don't like the way the law reads or is interpreted, then take the proper channels to remedy that.

A Canadian man who has been stranded in Sudan for six years did not return home on Friday because the federal government has refused to issue him an emergency passport.

Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon told reporters Friday that Abousfian Abdelrazik's passport had been denied "on the basis of national security."

Cannon declined to give further details on the matter.

But Abdelrazik's supporters say the government is denying a Canadian citizen his rights.

NDP foreign affairs critic Paul Dewar went a step further on Friday and accused the government of changing its position on the file.

"We were hoping that Mr. Abdelrazik would be on his way home today," Dewar told CTV's Power Play.

Dewar added that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said last year it would supply Abdelrazik with travel documents if he was able to secure a plane ticket home.

However, despite the fact that 170 Canadian supporters chipped in to buy Abdelrazik a ticket, the government still hasn't supplied the documents.

"The government, basically, broke it's word," said Dewar.

However, Deepak Obhari, Cannon's parliamentary secretary, said Abdelrazik can't fly home until he is removed from a United Nations no-fly list.

"So that creates a very serious problem for us (in) a legal aspect," said Obhari.

Canadian authorities seized Abdelrazik's previous passport, leaving him in legal limbo.

On Thursday, Abdelrazik spoke publicly about his situation for the first time, in hopes of pressuring the government into getting him back to Canadian soil.

"For six years I have tried to go back home to my children, but the Canadian government took my old passport and will not give me another one," Abdelrazik said in a statement released by his lawyers.

He also said that despite what has been said about him, he is not a criminal.

"I am a Muslim and I pray to my God but this does not make me a terrorist or a criminal," he said.

Stuck in Sudan

Abdelrazik has been in Sudan since 2003, when he was arrested after travelling to the country to visit his sick mother.

A recent report has suggested that it was CSIS who asked for him to be detained by Sudanese authorities in 2003. Back then, authorities claimed Abdelrazik held ties to Osama bin Laden.

After he was arrested, investigators could find no evidence of criminal activities on Abdelrazik's part and he was set free and did not face any charges.

Those findings were later confirmed by the RCMP, though the Canadian government still considers him to be a security risk.

Abdelrazik has said he was tortured when he was detained in Sudan.

He eventually ended up seeking shelter at the Canadian embassy in Khartoum, where he has lived for the past year.

Embassy staff are providing him with food and he is sleeping on a cot in the building's gym.

He has held Canadian citizenship since 1995.

With files from The Canadian Press

CTV.ca | Lawyer says Canadian refused passport in Sudan

Someone once told me a Canadian Citizen could NEVER have their passport revoked for no reason.. Hummmmmmmm

 

[Francis2004]

Once again I leave it at the sole posting because a few people here believe in personal attacks and I do not engage in them.

It's pretty sad when you cannot come here to debate in a civilized manner..

 

[shadowshiv]

Once again I leave it at the sole posting because a few people here believe in personal attacks and I do not engage in them.

It's pretty sad when you cannot come here to debate in a civilized manner..

And that has already been commented on above. Feel free to comment on this topic, SF.

 

[CDNBear]

CTV.ca | Lawyer says Canadian refused passport in Sudan

Someone once told me a Canadian Citizen could NEVER have their passport revoked for no reason.. Hummmmmmmm

Then I guess there's a good reason...Hmmmmm...:lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Once again I leave it at the sole posting because a few people here believe in personal attacks and I do not engage in them.

It's pretty sad when you cannot come here to debate in a civilized manner..

It would make it much easier, if some people didn't post strictly by political ideology...

I have to have respect for people, before I feel no need to poke them in the eye...;-)

Like Gerryh...not my political cup-o-tea...but hey, he's got my respect...I wonder why? Hmmmmm....

Or Tonnington....

Or Blackleaf...

Or Zan...

Or Kreskin...

Or Juan...

Or Lone wolf...

Or several other left/right leaning individuals that actually use critical thought. Or thought for that matter.

 

[earth_as_one]

Either the guy is a Canadian citizen or he isn't. If he is, then he has a right to return to Canada, even if that means Canadian taxpayers pick up the tab. If he's guilty of something, charge him and apply due process. If he isn't, (as appears to be the case) then set him free. If he's under suspicion of something, well that's why we have police...

Seems pretty straight forward.

As a Canadian who travels abroad frequently, I'd like to be able to think that if I found myself in trouble, the Canadian government would stick up for my rights, just because I am a Canadian citizen.

 

[gerryh]

As far as "some" are concerned......the only applies to certain Canadians.....if your a "black" or "muslim" Canadian..... you don't get those rights.