Mother Let Boyfriend Rape Her 14 Month-old daughter

[JLM]

I imagine that both of these monsters will end up in protective custody, thereby preventing their well-deserved shivving. There is no way that they would even live beyond the first day of imprisonment if they were placed into gen-pop.

Such a sad story. A girl whose life is snuffed far too early, and far too horribly to imagine.

Rest in peace, little one.

Actually as much as I used to be in favour of terminating these bastards, I've started to rethink it. Better to place in protective custody, but in a concrete cell, no furniture, blankets, books, T.V. , just a chamber pot.............ensuring that all they can do is just think.

 

[petros]

There is no way that they would even live beyond the first day of imprisonment if they were placed into gen-pop.

Too bad that belief is a myth.

 

[JLM]

Blisters and muscles don't hurt when you're dead.

They'll generally fall over before they die, enabling the process to be started again the next day.-

Too bad that belief is a myth.

Generally speaking, but they did get Jeffrey Dahmer!

 

[shadowshiv]

Too bad that belief is a myth.

Is it? I thought that if you harmed a child, you were pretty much pooched if you were placed in gen-pop.

 

[petros]

1 in a million and done just for the notoriety and no other motive.

Christopher J. Scarver (born July 6, 1969) is an American convicted murderer who gained notoriety for killing serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer at Columbia Correctional Institution, Portage, Wisconsin in 1994. Scarver used a 20-inch (51 cm) metal bar he removed from a piece of exercise equipment in the prison weight room to severely beat Dahmer and another convicted murderer Jesse Anderson. Both convicted killers died later from their injuries.
Scarver was sentenced to two further life sentences for the killings.

Is it? I thought that if you harmed a child, you were pretty much pooched if you were placed in gen-pop.

Nope. Just a myth.

 

[JLM]

Is it? I thought that if you harmed a child, you were pretty much pooched if you were placed in gen-pop.

As far as I know they are not allowed to put anyone in general pop, where there is perceived to be a danger to life and limb.

 

[petros]

As far as I know they are not allowed to put anyone in general pop, where there is perceived to be a danger to life and limb.

They have prisons and prison sects just for people like this. The lead normal jail lives.

 

[JLM]

1 in a million and done just for the notoriety and no other motive.

Christopher J. Scarver (born July 6, 1969) is an American convicted murderer who gained notoriety for killing serial killer and cannibal Jeffrey Dahmer at Columbia Correctional Institution, Portage, Wisconsin in 1994. Scarver used a 20-inch (51 cm) metal bar he removed from a piece of exercise equipment in the prison weight room to severely beat Dahmer and another convicted murderer Jesse Anderson. Both convicted killers died later from their injuries.
Scarver was sentenced to two further life sentences for the killings.

There wasn't much saving of taxpayers' money there, was there? - (Of course they might not eat as much while serving their second life sentence)

 

[no more drugs]

there was a statement in detail describing the injuries to the child, not sure who would lie about that.
that would be a coroners report.

there was a statement of what happened to the child that would leave her with such injuries.

there would be forensic evidence which would accurately connect the person who attacked her.

and there is more evidence we have not been told.

this case is horrible, and if they didn't do this to 'her' child, then someone else did, but until
we are told that the whole story was made up, I will believe what I read to this point, and I will
follow along gathering more information as it is put forward.

can you imagine being the one's who were first at this scene, and saw the child first, right after this
murderous attack.

can you imagine the statement from the coroner, and any other medical professionals who examined her
body.

there is much more to this story than just statements from prosecutors and lawyers.

No, we don't 'all' believe everything we are told, we gather information, keep it filed in our memories,
and wait for more, that is all we can do.

taloola,

In other words, you believe what you read.... the source of the "statements" isnt known.. They are reported via the media. Sadly many of us assume that what is reported is always accurate and true ... The comments in this thread reflect the opinion that everything they have read is true and accurate, and have gone on to convict the individual. Your reply to me says that statements and events that we hear on TV or read in the newspaper are always true.

If you read up on exonertaed wrongfully convicted people, you will se the common thread that the person (like in this case) was believed guilty, where they had to prove their innocence which is impossible for the most part.

Your opinion reflects that you believe reporters, prosecuters, law enforcement, and coroners are always right/accurate, so do you feel we should do away with the court system?

 

[JLM]

taloola,

In other words, you believe what you read.... the source of the "statements" isnt known.. They are reported via the media. Sadly many of us assume that what is reported is always accurate and true ... The comments in this thread reflect the opinion that everything they have read is true and accurate, and have gone on to convict the individual. Your reply to me says that statements and events that we hear on TV or read in the newspaper are always true.

If you read up on exonertaed wrongfully convicted people, you will se the common thread that the person (like in this case) was believed guilty, where they had to prove their innocence which is impossible for the most part.

Your opinion reflects that you believe reporters, prosecuters, law enforcement, and coroners are always right/accurate, so do you feel we should do away with the court system?

Of course there is no practical way to test the validity of any news story. If we are interested in reading the news we pretty well have to take it at face value. If I state an opinion based on the news, it is stated believing in the validity. If the news is found not to be valid, then a person's opinion likewise may not be valid.

 

[talloola]

taloola,

In other words, you believe what you read.... the source of the "statements" isnt known.. They are reported via the media. Sadly many of us assume that what is reported is always accurate and true ... The comments in this thread reflect the opinion that everything they have read is true and accurate, and have gone on to convict the individual. Your reply to me says that statements and events that we hear on TV or read in the newspaper are always true.

If you read up on exonertaed wrongfully convicted people, you will se the common thread that the person (like in this case) was believed guilty, where they had to prove their innocence which is impossible for the most part.

Your opinion reflects that you believe reporters, prosecuters, law enforcement, and coroners are always right/accurate, so do you feel we should do away with the court system?

you are incorrect in your reflection of what I was saying in my reply, thats too bad, but does happen.
Your "in other words" thing, definitely is other words.

 

[no more drugs]

This forum is not a court of law. There is no such presumption here.

Dear Idratherbeskiing,

This forum like any, is a good indicator, that people in general have been taught to believe that reported stories are true, and that law enforcement, and prosecutors are always right in their suspicions.

You said there arent "presumptions here".... ????? Apparently, the presumption is what you read is true and people should have to prove their innocence once we have been told something.

I used to think like that too until I stumbled upon wrongful convictions... what later became exonerated individuals.

I would have never believed that a person of normal inteligence, and status could ever give a false confession in an interrogation (without council) and I would have never believed that a coroner could ever be mistaken, or swayed by law enforcments hypothesis, to now influence the coroners report, and that reporters could be influenced to keep a story alive by writing unconfirmed, unsubstantiated reports/accounts of an individual to keep the paper selling or the tv station tuned in... (cash cow)

I see now that we are taught from a very small age (by society) that the news is always accurate, unbiased, and that law enforcement/crown prosecuters, always get the right guy, and that is how the stories are published.

It was a shocker to me to now see that I used to be like that and that the general population is still of that belief.

I like to advocate this in hopes that even one person considers this, and does their own research like I did where I am now impartial and always implement critical thinking in whatever I read and hear... I also have a high respect for law enforcement, and recognize that they put themselves in harms way for the good of the gen pop. However I no longer believe that they are always right.in their suspicions.

 

[JLM]

Dear Idratherbeskiing,

This forum like any, is a good indicator, that people in general have been taught to believe that reported stories are true, and that law enforcement, and prosecutors are always right in their suspicions.

You said there arent "presumptions here".... ????? Apparently, the presumption is what you read is true and people should have to prove their innocence once we have been told something.

I used to think like that too until I stumbled upon wrongful convictions... what later became exonerated individuals.

I would have never believed that a person of normal inteligence, and status could ever give a false confession in an interrogation (without council) and I would have never believed that a coroner could ever be mistaken, or swayed by law enforcments hypothesis, to now influence the coroners report, and that reporters could be influenced to keep a story alive by writing unconfirmed, unsubstantiated reports/accounts of an individual to keep the paper selling or the tv station tuned in... (cash cow)

I see now that we are taught from a very small age (by society) that the news is always accurate, unbiased, and that law enforcement/crown prosecuters, always get the right guy, and that is how the stories are published.

It was a shocker to me to now see that I used to be like that and that the general population is still of that belief.

I like to advocate this in hopes that even one person considers this, and does their own research like I did where I am now impartial and always implement critical thinking in whatever I read and hear... I also have a high respect for law enforcement, and recognize that they put themselves in harms way for the good of the gen pop. However I no longer believe that they are always right.in their suspicions.

On a forum we are merely discussing cases and submitting ideas and opinions based on the story assuming it to be correct. For the purpose of the forum it matters not whether the case be real or just made up.

 

[Sal]

Dear Idratherbeskiing,

This forum like any, is a good indicator, that people in general have been taught to believe that reported stories are true, and that law enforcement, and prosecutors are always right in their suspicions.

You said there arent "presumptions here".... ????? Apparently, the presumption is what you read is true and people should have to prove their innocence once we have been told something.

I used to think like that too until I stumbled upon wrongful convictions... what later became exonerated individuals.

I would have never believed that a person of normal inteligence, and status could ever give a false confession in an interrogation (without council) and I would have never believed that a coroner could ever be mistaken, or swayed by law enforcments hypothesis, to now influence the coroners report, and that reporters could be influenced to keep a story alive by writing unconfirmed, unsubstantiated reports/accounts of an individual to keep the paper selling or the tv station tuned in... (cash cow)

I see now that we are taught from a very small age (by society) that the news is always accurate, unbiased, and that law enforcement/crown prosecuters, always get the right guy, and that is how the stories are published.

It was a shocker to me to now see that I used to be like that and that the general population is still of that belief.

I like to advocate this in hopes that even one person considers this, and does their own research like I did where I am now impartial and always implement critical thinking in whatever I read and hear... I also have a high respect for law enforcement, and recognize that they put themselves in harms way for the good of the gen pop. However I no longer believe that they are always right.in their suspicions.

Honestly no drugs, I think you are incorrect. I think if you hung around here a bit you would find quite the opposite. Except for a few who are quite entrenched in their bias most here would read more than one news item on a report before drawing any conclusion. I HIGHLY doubt many here would trust a news items for accuracy although they would use a news item to demonstrate a certain angle.

 

[no more drugs]

Honestly no drugs, I think you are incorrect. I think if you hung around here a bit you would find quite the opposite. Except for a few who are quite entrenched in their bias most here would read more than one news item on a report before drawing any conclusion. I HIGHLY doubt many here would trust a news items for accuracy although they would use a news item to demonstrate a certain angle.

Sal,

Respectfully, it appears that you are incorrect. You said ..I will quote you ..

"I HIGHLY doubt many here would trust a news items for accuracy although they would use a news item to demonstrate a certain angle"

Sal, clearly the angle that is being discussed is the one where people believe the story to be true.... which is why I brought up the reality that stories arent necessarily true at all.....

Also, I didnt say the entire forum doesnt use critical thinking.. I said the posters that have commented on the thread all had the belief that what they read was the truth... I went on to say that their thinking seems to be a good example of how our society in general thinks... (even the ones who dont vocalize their opinions in a forum..because we were brought up to think that way.. Unless you explore the way you think and why, you wouldnt be aware of it..

On a forum we are merely discussing cases and submitting ideas and opinions based on the story assuming it to be correct. For the purpose of the forum it matters not whether the case be real or just made up.

SLM, you made my point when you stated .. (I will quote you...)

You said "opinions based on the story assuming it to be correct."

 

[#juan]

Sal,

Respectfully, it appears that you are incorrect. You said ..I will quote you ..

"I HIGHLY doubt many here would trust a news items for accuracy although they would use a news item to demonstrate a certain angle"

Sal, clearly the angle that is being discussed is the one where people believe the story to be true.... which is why I brought up the reality that stories arent necessarily true at all.....

Also, I didnt say the entire forum doesnt use critical thinking.. I said the posters that have commented on the thread all had the belief that what they read was the truth... I went on to say that their thinking seems to be a good example of how our society in general thinks... (even the ones who dont vocalize their opinions in a forum..because we were brought up to think that way.. Unless you explore the way you think and why, you wouldnt be aware of it..



SLM, you made my point when you stated .. (I will quote you...)

You said "opinions based on the story assuming it to be correct."

Could we get rid of this disgusting topic? It is a bloody monument to poor taste and it is hardly frigging news...

 

[no more drugs]

Juan,

Isnt this a forum?

I find it sad that you are clearly frustrated/irritated/bothered/maybe even angry that members are discussing a topic (that is apparently not appealing to you) Why do you let it bother you?

Im getting good feedback (privately from several members) ... (you arent one of them though..lol)

Talloola, You said....

"there was a statement in detail describing the injuries to the child, not sure who would lie about that.
that would be a coroners report.

there was a statement of what happened to the child that would leave her with such injuries.

there would be forensic evidence which would accurately connect the person who attacked her."

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Talloola, Do you believe coroners reports/conclusions are always accurate?

Have you ever heard where a coronors findings were reversed by several other coroners? (natural death vs murder)

Could it be possible that the child was sick and had a rectal thermometer reading taken (where lubricant was found) suggesting something else? Where the baby later died of natural caused (illness of some sort) where a corooner/law enforcement dont see that natural causes were possible?)

Is it possible that the trxt messages that we are ghearing about (if they do even exist) were sexting done between him and her (where it is being said and believed by the DA that the messages werr meant for the baby (in other words, taken out of contect to support their conclusion?

Apparently you are assuming that the baby's "evidence" was clear cut and dry, no room for error or misinterpretatgion...)

There are many cases where reports that were stated/written and broadcasted ..were totally incoorect/embellished/exaggerated..

Did you that the testimony in Amanda Knox's trial shows that the prosecutor admitted that the muder weapon was not compatible with the wounds?

The expert that the prosecution used stated that the knife wasnt "incompatible" ... (meaning it was an object with a a pointed sharp blade, like any other knife would have.. (yet the measurement of the depth of the wounds didnt match the depth of the knife that was found in Solicito's apartment.. )

It had been reported and stated by many that the murder weapon was found...which later through the trial proved that it wasnt...

 

[IdRatherBeSkiing]

I don't think everything that is reported is accurate. But I am capable of judging it to be correct enough for me. I don't always believe everything I read. But in this case, it may be possible that the correnor has fricked up or the police have got it all wrong, I don't view it as probable. And since this is for discussion only, I don't worry about the possibility of getting something inaccurate. If something was posted tommorow that changed the facts, I would consider that too.

And juan, agree with you and karrie that there should be a Thread Ignore function. Perhaps the side discussion of what should be believed and discussed can be split into its own thread and this thread be left to just discuss the OP although I don't know what more needs to be said.

 

[talloola]

Juan,

Isnt this a forum?

I find it sad that you are clearly frustrated/irritated/bothered/maybe even angry that members are discussing a topic (that is apparently not appealing to you) Why do you let it bother you?

Im getting good feedback (privately from several members) ... (you arent one of them though..lol)

Talloola, You said....

"there was a statement in detail describing the injuries to the child, not sure who would lie about that.
that would be a coroners report.

there was a statement of what happened to the child that would leave her with such injuries.

there would be forensic evidence which would accurately connect the person who attacked her."

---------------------------------

Talloola, Do you believe coroners reports/conclusions are always accurate?

Have you ever heard where a coronors findings were reversed by several other coroners? (natural death vs murder)

Could it be possible that the child was sick and had a rectal thermometer reading taken (where lubricant was found) suggesting something else? Where the baby later died of natural caused (illness of some sort) where a corooner/law enforcement dont see that natural causes were possible?)

Is it possible that the trxt messages that we are ghearing about (if they do even exist) were sexting done between him and her (where it is being said and believed by the DA that the messages werr meant for the baby (in other words, taken out of contect to support their conclusion?

Apparently you are assuming that the baby's "evidence" was clear cut and dry, no room for error or misinterpretatgion...)

There are many cases where reports that were stated/written and broadcasted ..were totally incoorect/embellished/exaggerated..

Did you that the testimony in Amanda Knox's trial shows that the prosecutor admitted that the muder weapon was not compatible with the wounds?

The expert that the prosecution used stated that the knife wasnt "incompatible" ... (meaning it was an object with a a pointed sharp blade, like any other knife would have.. (yet the measurement of the depth of the wounds didnt match the depth of the knife that was found in Solicito's apartment.. )

It had been reported and stated by many that the murder weapon was found...which later through the trial proved that it wasnt...

oh for ch**st sake, if there are any different reasons that chis child died, we will be told eventually,

but until any of your imaginative stories become facts, I will still have the initial information

filed in my brain, and I, (as I stated in my earlier post) will gather further information as it becomes

available.

Don't you know how to gather information, file it, gather more, file that, and follow a situation till
its conclusion, its not really difficult at all.

Because I have certain information in my brain, filed, doesn't mean it can't be changed as needed, as
time goes on.
I think that is called open minded thinking.

I don't disbelieve everything I read, or am told, and I don't believe everything I am told, and make
that 'end' of story.

I am a patient person, and I will know what happened, along with everyone else, but until then, I
have the initial information to think about.

 

[no more drugs]

I don't think everything that is reported is accurate. But I am capable of judging it to be correct enough for me. I don't always believe everything I read. But in this case, it may be possible that the correnor has fricked up or the police have got it all wrong, I don't view it as probable. And since this is for discussion only, I don't worry about the possibility of getting something inaccurate. If something was posted tommorow that changed the facts, I would consider that too.

And juan, agree with you and karrie that there should be a Thread Ignore function. Perhaps the side discussion of what should be believed and discussed can be split into its own thread and this thread be left to just discuss the OP although I don't know what more needs to be said.

IdratherB,

You said ...I will quote you...
" If something was posted tommorow that changed the facts, I would consider that too."


What we read and hear arent facts... they are the "reported/understanding/perception.."

Many of us believe we read and hear facts..which influences us to believe what we hear and read...

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Guilty till proven innocent, is next to impossible..

You also said..."oh for ch**st sake, if there are any different reasons that chis child died, we will be told eventually,"

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Tallolla,

By who?