More Harper hypocrisy

Zipperfish

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I don't know how well Harper's Trudeau-is-a-fag pamphlets are going over. First off, they are pretty sophomoric in production for someone trying to come off as a statesman. Secondly, they were paid for by taxpayers. That wasn't smart. But perhaps most telling is a growing list of Conservative MPs who don't want anything to do with them and won't be sending them out.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I disagree.

I'm not surprised.

The Liberals were in the position they deserved a few leaders ago. Now the nation is in a very unhealthy place politically because the sitting government feels it doesn't have to be accountable to anyone if it just keeps neutralizing any and all opposition.

The country is no different position POLITICALLY then it was when the Liberals had a stranglehold on power and the Conservatives were split between CPC CA and those who defected to the Bloc.

An oppositional Parliamentary system doesn't work very well- if at all - if the opposition isn't allowed to function at all. It may suit the interests of the sitting government, but that's not the intent of the Parliamentary system, without some degree of popular expression of ideas and desires then the system will eventually lose popular support. By behaving in such an irresponsible manner the government acts to degrade the entire system.

We have a majority government. Majority governments push through their own agendas . Chretien's government pushed through a number of policies with virtually no opposition. The Conservatives had to do a lot of rebuilding before they even made it into minority status.

The Liberals basic problem here is arrogance and self entitlement. Had they been humbled by the voter revolt over a number of scandals they would not be in the position they are. Even the PM (Paul Martin) who was Finance Minister claimed ignorance of the scandal which took place when he was Finance Minister. By the way it was Martin's Government that used the whole. "STEPHEN HARPER IS GOING TO PUT SOLDIERS IN THE STREETS OF MAJOR CITIES. WE DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP." video that I keep referencing.

As to your accusation that the Harper Government is keeping opposition down. Well buddy that's the nature of politics, always has been -- always will be. If JT became PM in the next election (with a sweeping majority) he would conduct himself no differently and I can guarantee you that all his promises of Utopia would be quickly forgotten. The usual is to say, we can't do this or do that because the previous government has left us such a mess. So much for the Liberal Utopian Dream.

I'll say it one last time. If the Liberals want to take power in this Country they need to focus on policies that will entice the voting public. I haven't seen any of that as of yet.

Oh and by the way. I voted for Chretien in his first term.
 

JamesBondo

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Cobalt, quit yer bitchin.

Negative campaigns appeal to the swing voter and the undecided voter. To ignore these voters would be just as foolish as ignoring a voter that pays attention to the issues and platform.
 

Zipperfish

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Cobalt, quit yer bitchin.

Negative campaigns appeal to the swing voter and the undecided voter. To ignore these voters would be just as foolish as ignoring a voter that pays attention to the issues and platform.

I don't think sending out sophomoric Trudeau-is-a-fag pamphets paid for by taxpayers' dollars is going to appeal to that many swing voters. Certainly not in urban ridings, which are a growing constituency. A growing number of Consevative MPs don't want anything to do with these pamphelts.
 

DaSleeper

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I don't think sending out sophomoric Trudeau-is-a-fag pamphets paid for by taxpayers' dollars is going to appeal to that many swing voters. Certainly not in urban ridings, which are a growing constituency. A growing number of Consevative MPs don't want anything to do with these pamphelts.
Second time you say that....
How about posting one of those pamphlets so we can judge for ourselves whether it's for real or wishful thinking;-) on your part...
 

Jonny_C

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I don't think sending out sophomoric Trudeau-is-a-fag pamphets paid for by taxpayers' dollars is going to appeal to that many swing voters. Certainly not in urban ridings, which are a growing constituency. A growing number of Consevative MPs don't want anything to do with these pamphelts.

Negative political ads are a legitimate tool, but parties do have to be aware that they can overdo it. They have to gauge the public mood, and if negative ads engender a largely negative reaction they'd better have the smarts to see that the ads are counter-productive, in other words they do the party that originates them more harm than good.

I think the Conservatives are playing with fire; there seems to be a lot of negtive reaction to the ads.

Rightly so, IMO. I think they're poorly done.
 

Locutus

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Here's one of their cheerleaders:


I don't always protest too much but when I do, it's to get attention

Dr. Christopher Greig | Faculty of Education - University of Windsor

http://baconfat53.blogspot.ca/2013/04/justin-trudeau-is-faggot.html


He looks manly enough to me. ;-)
 

Zipperfish

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Second time you say that....
How about posting one of those pamphlets so we can judge for ourselves whether it's for real or wishful thinking;-) on your part...


So it is, the second time. Ooops. In my defence--remarkably consistent with the first post at least. :lol:

I'm not going to do your research for you.

More Conservatvies are lining up against the taxpayer-funded attack pamphlet:

Further Trudeau attack ads roil Conservative ranks | Globalnews.ca

Our money for attack ads – how low can the Harper Conservatives go? - The Globe and Mail

It's a pretty sure sign your attack ads aren't going over well when your own party members don't want anything to do with them.
 

Jonny_C

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By no means do I intend to imply that I agree with earlier opinion that negative politicking is mean, nasty, "undemocratic" etc. but I do believe the Conservatives have run up against its limitations.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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I don't think sending out sophomoric Trudeau-is-a-fag pamphets paid for by taxpayers' dollars is going to appeal to that many swing voters. Certainly not in urban ridings, which are a growing constituency. A growing number of Consevative MPs don't want anything to do with these pamphelts.

Second time you say that....
How about posting one of those pamphlets so we can judge for ourselves whether it's for real or wishful thinking;-) on your part...

So it is, the second time. Ooops. In my defence--remarkably consistent with the first post at least. :lol:

I'm not going to do your research for you.

More Conservatvies are lining up against the taxpayer-funded attack pamphlet:

Further Trudeau attack ads roil Conservative ranks | Globalnews.ca

Our money for attack ads – how low can the Harper Conservatives go? - The Globe and Mail

It's a pretty sure sign your attack ads aren't going over well when your own party members don't want anything to do with them.


It's hard research when someone is BSing about a so called pamphlet calling Justin Trudeau gay.
 

Zipperfish

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Yes, I thik they made a couple of strategic errors. First off, using taxpayers' money to campaign is something that small "c" comnservatives don't like. It goes against your base. Second, to use a chess analogy, you don't move your queen at the start of the game. They should have moved a pawn.

It's hard research when someone is BSing about a so called pamphlet calling Justin Trudeau gay.

It's hard researching when you only have two inklings. Unfortunately it takes eight inklings to make a clue. :lol:
 

DaSleeper

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So it is, the second time. Ooops. In my defence--remarkably consistent with the first post at least. :lol:

I'm not going to do your research for you.

More Conservatvies are lining up against the taxpayer-funded attack pamphlet:

Further Trudeau attack ads roil Conservative ranks | Globalnews.ca

Our money for attack ads – how low can the Harper Conservatives go? - The Globe and Mail

It's a pretty sure sign your attack ads aren't going over well when your own party members don't want anything to do with them.
Nice deflection that doesn't account for your earlier Gay comment........
Lookee over there deflection type....
 

Cobalt_Kid

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The country is no different position POLITICALLY then it was when the Liberals had a stranglehold on power and the Conservatives were split between CPC CA and those who defected to the Bloc.

Of course it is, when the Liberals received their majority government the official opposition was a party dedicated to dividing and possibly ending the country. The adversarial relationship in that House was largely due to the fact that had the Separatists won it might have been the end of the House. The conservatives under Harper are taking the same approach to the opposition that the Liberals did with none of the justification.

We have a majority government. Majority governments push through their own agendas . Chretien's government pushed through a number of policies with virtually no opposition. The Conservatives had to do a lot of rebuilding before they even made it into minority status.

The Liberals basic problem here is arrogance and self entitlement. Had they been humbled by the voter revolt over a number of scandals they would not be in the position they are. Even the PM (Paul Martin) who was Finance Minister claimed ignorance of the scandal which took place when he was Finance Minister. By the way it was Martin's Government that used the whole. "STEPHEN HARPER IS GOING TO PUT SOLDIERS IN THE STREETS OF MAJOR CITIES. WE DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP." video that I keep referencing.

Sure there was arrogance, there was also a lot of relief that we still had a country after the referendum. A lot of the bad behaviour that went on was a result of the Liberals still preparing to fight off another separatist movement in Quebec. It was two conservative majorities that led directly to the chaos that almost took Canada down.

As to your accusation that the Harper Government is keeping opposition down. Well buddy that's the nature of politics, always has been -- always will be. If JT became PM in the next election (with a sweeping majority) he would conduct himself no differently and I can guarantee you that all his promises of Utopia would be quickly forgotten. The usual is to say, we can't do this or do that because the previous government has left us such a mess. So much for the Liberal Utopian Dream.

No it's not, the whole point of a democratic system isn't to make it possible for a very narrow interest group to hijack the system, it's to represent as broad a cross section of the population in the interests of building as strong a nation as possible. What we have under Mr. Harper is a control freak concentrating as much power as he can in one office no matter what the long term consequences to the country, even MPs in his own caucus are getting sick of it.

Spending millions of dollars and flooding the airwaves and mailboxes of Canadians with highly partisan attacks on opposition leaders may meet the limited agenda of Mr. Harper, it weakens an already damaged political sphere in this country. Just like after Mulroney, the chances are better after this conservative mandate that Canadian divisions will once again play a dominant role.

I'll say it one last time. If the Liberals want to take power in this Country they need to focus on policies that will entice the voting public. I haven't seen any of that as of yet.

Oh and by the way. I voted for Chretien in his first term.

I have, front and center is the democratic deficit issue, Mr. Harper has spent a lot of time weakening the system we all depend on to hold our government accountable, Justin Trudeau has already brought forth proposals to reverse this trend...and probably not coincidentally Harper immediately began attacking him. If his only real agenda is taking and holding power in Canada then he can't afford to allow anyone to gain support, this isn't a good thing for any country, Canada is no exception.
 

Zipperfish

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Making crap up does little for your credibility.

Again, if you researched it, I'm not the first one to note that Harper is taking aim at Trudeau's masculinity--or lack thereof. The cursive princess script. The tinkerbell sprakles drawn around his head. The little star over the i in his first name. Psychologically, it's pretty blunt to all but the angriest of Angry Old White Guys. In my school days, a fag was anyone that lacked the requsitie masculinity deemed appropriate for 14 year olds. This is simpy along those lines.

And it's backfiring, for reasons mentioned above, in my opinion: it's not well produced, they used taxpayers money for it, and it's too over the top. There's a lot of Conservatvies MPs trying to distance themsleves from it.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Again, if you researched it, I'm not the first one to note that Harper is taking aim at Trudeau's masculinity--or lack thereof. The cursive princess script. The tinkerbell sprakles drawn around his head. The little star over the i in his first name. Psychologically, it's pretty blunt to all but the angriest of Angry Old White Guys. In my school days, a fag was anyone that lacked the requsitie masculinity deemed appropriate for 14 year olds. This is simpy along those lines.

And it's backfiring, for reasons mentioned above, in my opinion: it's not well produced, they used taxpayers money for it, and it's too over the top. There's a lot of Conservatvies MPs trying to distance themsleves from it.

I agree.

Trudeau’s masculinity a subtext in Tory attack ads | Toronto Star

A swirl of tiny little stars — reminiscent of Tinkerbell’s trail of sparkles — frames the Liberal leader. He’s shown with a goatee, open collar and his jacket slung over his shoulder.

The flyer produced for Conservative MPs to be sent to constituents contains several negative bullet points about Trudeau that are written in a cursive font, while the points lauding Prime Minister Stephen Harper are in a bolder print font.

The letter “i” in Trudeau’s first name is capped with a star in the Conservative materials — like a pre-teen girl might apply to her name.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Again, if you researched it, I'm not the first one to note that Harper is taking aim at Trudeau's masculinity--or lack thereof. The cursive princess script. The tinkerbell sprakles drawn around his head. The little star over the i in his first name. Psychologically, it's pretty blunt to all but the angriest of Angry Old White Guys. In my school days, a fag was anyone that lacked the requsitie masculinity deemed appropriate for 14 year olds. This is simpy along those lines.

And it's backfiring, for reasons mentioned above, in my opinion: it's not well produced, they used taxpayers money for it, and it's too over the top. There's a lot of Conservatvies MPs trying to distance themsleves from it.


I'm not going to offer another post to your lying and making crap up. You carry on.