More dirty tricks
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The Conservatives will only discover it if there can be orchestration of votes for the opposition. Brian Mulrony learned that all one has to do is come up with something really unpopular (Free Trade then GST) Votes against him were split between Liberal, NDP, Green, Communist and any number of lunatic fringes (anyone remember Rhino or those weirdos who believed they could float on air?) and independents. In actual popular vote, he was blasted out the door - but the Conservatives got enough votes to win.
Wolf
Like Oaxaca, where the majority of people do not bother casting a vote because they know it is rigged? I am fairly excited to see what will come out of Argentina and Venezuela in the years to come. Three cheers for 6 hour work days.
Some folk who've read my contributions will no doubt be pleased with a characterization of my opinion as; "An uncanny ability to find the darkest lining across a silver sky..." And that might be true.
What I do know is that only if you willingly accept the argument that says that the integrity and honesty demonstrated by some particular individual in some particualar circumstance or situation may serve as indicator of future behavior across a broader spectrum is the astuteness of a fool.
How Stephen Harper and successive governments of Canada have behaved in the past, while regrettable and on occasion reprehensible, refusing to acknowledge that the policies and structures of government are used by business and "big-money" to buy votes and comfortable private sector consulting arrangements...regardless of the blood spilled and the damage created....will be accepted by the Canadian and American people so long as a basic minimum is maintained....has been the strategy that has permitted governments to erode and decay to the point they have.
When a calamity results, when a bridge collapses, when an eleven year old is murdered by a drug dealer's stray bullet in a street fire-fight with a rival gang, when bodies draped in the Canadian flag return from a wasted and futile effort in the name of American petro-politics, when Russia floats a claim to the mineral wealth under but above the Arctic Circle...when tornadoes and hurricanes demolish lives for the profits of businesses unconcerned with the welfare of anyone but themselves and their investors, something has to give.
Nothing these people are prepared to do should fool anyone.
So long as there's coffee at Tim Horton's and "great deals" at Walmart"...consumers will be placated and content to complacency.
Destroying the WTC didn't have the desired effect because Americans and Canadians won't pay any attention until they personally individually feel the results of the corruption they've been happy to accept as government...as freedom...and as "democracy"....for decades and generations.
Mother Earth will slow down the self-destruction and make sure that sufficient numbers suffer to get the point across......
Will anyone learn anything....?
What I do know is that only if you willingly accept the argument that says that the integrity and honesty demonstrated by some particular individual in some particualar circumstance or situation may serve as indicator of future behavior across a broader spectrum is the astuteness of a fool.
How Stephen Harper and successive governments of Canada have behaved in the past, while regrettable and on occasion reprehensible, refusing to acknowledge that the policies and structures of government are used by business and "big-money" to buy votes and comfortable private sector consulting arrangements...regardless of the blood spilled and the damage created....will be accepted by the Canadian and American people so long as a basic minimum is maintained....has been the strategy that has permitted governments to erode and decay to the point they have.
When a calamity results, when a bridge collapses, when an eleven year old is murdered by a drug dealer's stray bullet in a street fire-fight with a rival gang, when bodies draped in the Canadian flag return from a wasted and futile effort in the name of American petro-politics, when Russia floats a claim to the mineral wealth under but above the Arctic Circle...when tornadoes and hurricanes demolish lives for the profits of businesses unconcerned with the welfare of anyone but themselves and their investors, something has to give.
Nothing these people are prepared to do should fool anyone.
So long as there's coffee at Tim Horton's and "great deals" at Walmart"...consumers will be placated and content to complacency.
Destroying the WTC didn't have the desired effect because Americans and Canadians won't pay any attention until they personally individually feel the results of the corruption they've been happy to accept as government...as freedom...and as "democracy"....for decades and generations.
Mother Earth will slow down the self-destruction and make sure that sufficient numbers suffer to get the point across......
Will anyone learn anything....?
All I know is we still have the vote and the right to speak our minds here in Canada and I intend to do both no matter who tells me it's futile.
Back to the Montebello Summit:
So the Quebec police do admit now that the masked demonstrators were cops in disguise. They claim they were just there to observe the croud, but they could have done that without conscealing their identity and acting provocatively towards the police line and encouraging others to do the same. I think it pretty clear this was an attempt to discredit the opposition to the SPP but backfired and indicates a very disturbing lack of respect for public opinion.
Back to the Montebello Summit:
So the Quebec police do admit now that the masked demonstrators were cops in disguise. They claim they were just there to observe the croud, but they could have done that without conscealing their identity and acting provocatively towards the police line and encouraging others to do the same. I think it pretty clear this was an attempt to discredit the opposition to the SPP but backfired and indicates a very disturbing lack of respect for public opinion.
You're damned right thus is serious, it affects some of deepest freedoms. And now it's not just my suspicions, it's been comfirmed by the Quebec police. And as this was a federal summit the feds were in overall charge of security. I just saw security minister Day say that he supports the action of the police in this case. as far as he's concerned it was ok for masked and inat least one case armed police enter a peaceful demonstration with the attempt to incite violence.
Case has been made, the conservatives admit it and what's more they say they don't care.
We know how high this goes, Day was in charge and says he approves. Now you know what your money is going to fund. Don't complain to me about the Liberals again, you or anyone else here you hypocritical assholes.
It appears the copnspiracy theorists were fully correct on this one.
Infiltration of the crowd by police is not the issue. Incitment to riot by the police is the issue, and it seems very clear that is exactly what was going on.
Completely outrageous!
BUT the Feds hardly control the Quebec provincial police force...............and I never heard Day say he supported the action. In fact, he advised union leaders to seek satisfaction by making a formal complaint.........
AND, seeing as YOU brought it up, at APEC the FEDERAL police force attacked protesters........the
police prevented people from expressing their views, the police arrested folks for being there with signs, the police even arrested people BEFORE the summit, and would only release them when they promised not to go there..........all under the obvious direct instruction of Jean Carle, Chretien's Chief of Staff. If you want to go looking for fascists under the bed............the Liberal Party is hardly unrepresented. And speaking of hypocrits........
Which doesn't change a thing about the recent events..........the police officers involved in incitment should be charged.
Cobalt_Kid
Protesting an injustice is our right. The protection of these "rights" that include our freedom as Canadians to express opposition and disappointment in how our government works (or doesn't work...as the case may be...) are the stuff of political and ideological substance that served to underpin the first and the second world wars.
We've been taught that the Soviet Union employed secret police and infiltrated organizations with the express purpose to identify groups and individuals who were deemed "enemies of the state". We've also learned that the Nazis did the same and that it's common for government agencies to fabricate lies and spread propaganda intended to rally people to support regimes that regard individual human rights as second to that of the interests and agendas of the ruling government.
When this same kind of behavior is observed and proven to exist within Canadian and American governments, the line between the philosophies and intent of our "enemies" and the substance of our very own "democracies" is blurred beyond reason.
Our enemies we are told reject law in favor of furthering their political and economic agendas and if those laws appear to impede that agenda, then the law is to be ignored. We watched McCarthyism rage across America. We've watched as governments prosecute illegal and unreasonable war across continents, not for the purpose of dispatching hooligans and corruption but to secure resource access and increase the profitability of wealthy industrialsists feeding off conditioned and complacent democracies.
We've listened to exaggeration lies and fabrication supplied as rationale for economics and militarism.
We aren't living in a democracy when the decision making process that will decide and determine the quality of life and the character of those "freedoms" granted under a democratic political social framework are reserved to the exclusivity of the wealthy and held behind closed doors far from the light of open transparent debate and dialogue.
Our democratically elected governments have been manipulated by religious groups and special interest groups (corporate and ideological) for decades and the current trend is to have the decision making process removed from the scrutiny of the people and the stakeholders in our future denied access to and input to the process of government. This isn't a democracy.
You're vote is a sham when casting a vote in support of some policy or political ideal can be ignored by the wealthy elite who erect fences to keep the people removed from the political process and make decisions based not on what the people have expressed as their wishes but what the industrial machinery of global multi-nationals decide as better serving the interests of "business".
That our governments whether that's the ineptitude and unprofessionalism of the RCMP and CSIS in trading lies and exaggerations to the FBI the CIA and that results in Canadians serving time in prisons under torture, who then sue Canada for this blatant miscarriage of justice..(everyone ends up paying for the corruption of our police) or its the preparedness of provincial governments to play ping-pong with issues like land claim settlements, and who seem perfectly prepared to practice the same kinds of behaviour that we've been told are the earmarks of our "enemies" and the same behaviour that's supposed to indicate oppression and repression, or its the corruption of the Liberals and political parties at all levels to steal directly from the people...or favor one group over another for funding and support, our democracy is broken.
If it ever existed.
Protesting an injustice is our right. The protection of these "rights" that include our freedom as Canadians to express opposition and disappointment in how our government works (or doesn't work...as the case may be...) are the stuff of political and ideological substance that served to underpin the first and the second world wars.
We've been taught that the Soviet Union employed secret police and infiltrated organizations with the express purpose to identify groups and individuals who were deemed "enemies of the state". We've also learned that the Nazis did the same and that it's common for government agencies to fabricate lies and spread propaganda intended to rally people to support regimes that regard individual human rights as second to that of the interests and agendas of the ruling government.
When this same kind of behavior is observed and proven to exist within Canadian and American governments, the line between the philosophies and intent of our "enemies" and the substance of our very own "democracies" is blurred beyond reason.
Our enemies we are told reject law in favor of furthering their political and economic agendas and if those laws appear to impede that agenda, then the law is to be ignored. We watched McCarthyism rage across America. We've watched as governments prosecute illegal and unreasonable war across continents, not for the purpose of dispatching hooligans and corruption but to secure resource access and increase the profitability of wealthy industrialsists feeding off conditioned and complacent democracies.
We've listened to exaggeration lies and fabrication supplied as rationale for economics and militarism.
We aren't living in a democracy when the decision making process that will decide and determine the quality of life and the character of those "freedoms" granted under a democratic political social framework are reserved to the exclusivity of the wealthy and held behind closed doors far from the light of open transparent debate and dialogue.
Our democratically elected governments have been manipulated by religious groups and special interest groups (corporate and ideological) for decades and the current trend is to have the decision making process removed from the scrutiny of the people and the stakeholders in our future denied access to and input to the process of government. This isn't a democracy.
You're vote is a sham when casting a vote in support of some policy or political ideal can be ignored by the wealthy elite who erect fences to keep the people removed from the political process and make decisions based not on what the people have expressed as their wishes but what the industrial machinery of global multi-nationals decide as better serving the interests of "business".
That our governments whether that's the ineptitude and unprofessionalism of the RCMP and CSIS in trading lies and exaggerations to the FBI the CIA and that results in Canadians serving time in prisons under torture, who then sue Canada for this blatant miscarriage of justice..(everyone ends up paying for the corruption of our police) or its the preparedness of provincial governments to play ping-pong with issues like land claim settlements, and who seem perfectly prepared to practice the same kinds of behaviour that we've been told are the earmarks of our "enemies" and the same behaviour that's supposed to indicate oppression and repression, or its the corruption of the Liberals and political parties at all levels to steal directly from the people...or favor one group over another for funding and support, our democracy is broken.
If it ever existed.