More dirty tricks
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Initially, I was skeptical, but now that the SQ has admitted they were officers, I'm just amazed at how stupid they are.
Thus proving that the 9-11 conspiracy, for example, could not possibly be true, because the people running these black ops are so stupid they couldn't even infiltrate a bunch of low life protesters. The SQ must be pretty bloody stupid if they can't even manage this. I'm pretty sure the RCMP officers in the crowd weren't busted. But then again, they might have been the ones to out the SQ guys. Hmmm. The plot thickens.
Thus proving that the 9-11 conspiracy, for example, could not possibly be true, because the people running these black ops are so stupid they couldn't even infiltrate a bunch of low life protesters. The SQ must be pretty bloody stupid if they can't even manage this. I'm pretty sure the RCMP officers in the crowd weren't busted. But then again, they might have been the ones to out the SQ guys. Hmmm. The plot thickens.
So here's the scenario, I'm a hardcore anarchist going to a demonstration with the intent to cause violence. I'm concealing my face to avoid the legal consequences of my actions and don't care about the other peaceful demonstrators who I probably consider to be sheep anyway. And when I get to the demonstration site and begin to confront the police and am then confronted by demonstrators who want to reveal my face what do I do? My life isn't in danger, there's probably more cops than protestors nearby. If I was an authentic demonstrator I'd simply walk away if it didn't look like I'd be able to start a large scale riot(which was probably the real intent, it would have diverted public attention away from a controversial subject) and protect my anonymity.
What happened is these "demonstrators" by their own violition put themselves into police custody, where if they were authentic would be photographed, fingerprinted and entered into a variety of databases. Something that has much greater consequences in this day than it did even a few years ago. It could limit where they can travel and even wind them up in a security black hole if they were unlucky. Cole is right, these "demonstrators" weren't concealing their identity from the police, they were concealing it from the protestors. They willing gave their identity to the police which makes it likely the cops already knew who they were.
The supreme court has already ruled that Canadians have the right to peacefully demonstrate, if this can be traced back to the PMO there's more than enough grounds for a Charter violation case here. At the very least the opposition would have grounds for a non-confidence vote.
What happened is these "demonstrators" by their own violition put themselves into police custody, where if they were authentic would be photographed, fingerprinted and entered into a variety of databases. Something that has much greater consequences in this day than it did even a few years ago. It could limit where they can travel and even wind them up in a security black hole if they were unlucky. Cole is right, these "demonstrators" weren't concealing their identity from the police, they were concealing it from the protestors. They willing gave their identity to the police which makes it likely the cops already knew who they were.
The supreme court has already ruled that Canadians have the right to peacefully demonstrate, if this can be traced back to the PMO there's more than enough grounds for a Charter violation case here. At the very least the opposition would have grounds for a non-confidence vote.
I guess this is what "Canadas New Government" is all about, not only are all the important decisions going to be made behind closed doors without any real imput from even conservative cabinet ministers, but public demonstration is going to be subverted. Not only does Harper want to decide how we live, he's going to do his best to stifle any self-expression.
The PMO is in even more control of this country now than under the Liberals, another and the most important election promise broken.
The PMO is in even more control of this country now than under the Liberals, another and the most important election promise broken.
Oh Gee...just imagine how suprised folk will be when they learn that police acted to foment disturbance... That's impossible in such a "just" society right!?
With all respect due Colpy, the buck stops at the top. It was Liberal corruption that Canadians voted against at the last election and while fraud and lies are unmistakably part of the arsenal of the Liberal political structure in this nation, what would make you believe that a man (Stephen Harper) who'd permit America to steal a billion dollars from Canadians would have any qualms tacitly supporting manipulation of the scenario at Montebello?
I keep telling Canadians that their political structure is corrupt and NO politician of any political party deserves either respect or belief in what they say....
Just like global warming, infectious diseases and sub-prime mortgages and "easy-credit", Canadians won't believe their political and economic system is rife with lies and corruption until the walls start crumbling around them....or bridges start collapsing or people die from tainted water or soldiers are sent home from Afghanistan in body bags ...in the name of supporting the American agenda.
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With all respect due Colpy, the buck stops at the top. It was Liberal corruption that Canadians voted against at the last election and while fraud and lies are unmistakably part of the arsenal of the Liberal political structure in this nation, what would make you believe that a man (Stephen Harper) who'd permit America to steal a billion dollars from Canadians would have any qualms tacitly supporting manipulation of the scenario at Montebello?
I keep telling Canadians that their political structure is corrupt and NO politician of any political party deserves either respect or belief in what they say....
Just like global warming, infectious diseases and sub-prime mortgages and "easy-credit", Canadians won't believe their political and economic system is rife with lies and corruption until the walls start crumbling around them....or bridges start collapsing or people die from tainted water or soldiers are sent home from Afghanistan in body bags ...in the name of supporting the American agenda.
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Keeping hope alive is an admirable endeavor. Ignoring reality is suicide.
We didn't see any politicians pay for their corruption and we haven't seen any politician accept responsibility for any of numerous situations that have unfolded out of the political circus.
Hoping the criminal won't steal your property won't do much....
Keep on hoping though....
We didn't see any politicians pay for their corruption and we haven't seen any politician accept responsibility for any of numerous situations that have unfolded out of the political circus.
Hoping the criminal won't steal your property won't do much....
Keep on hoping though....
A time is fast approaching when the little guy is going to have to go to ground just to survive....
Wolf
Wolf
You're right, the best policy is hope for the best but plan for the worst.
And you're right about our political system, it's been totally compromised by special interests who override input from elected officials. What's the point in sending 300+ highpaid MPs to Ottawa if all they're going to do is blast hot air in the commons while all the real decisions are being made by faceless unelected people in the PMO.
Our Parlimentary system is a sham and Harper hasn't changed a damned thing, he's taken all the lessons he learned from the Liberals and put them to use to forward his own agenda, the public be damned. Right from the start he reversed the will of the electorate by appointing the LIBERAL Emerson to his cabinet days after the election. He has no respect for our democracy, and wouldn't have the slightest qualm in using the police to smear demonstrators.
There's more of us "little guys" than there is fat cats, they need us to support their delusions of grandure. Why not get organized and make the power hungry jerks change their ways.
"Playing nice" in a field where PMO & Co. change rules at random isn't working. We had a voice - now we don't. Apathy is a most effective weapon for tyranny.
Wolf
Wolf
We still have a vote and every screwy thing Harper does makes it less likely he'll ever get his dream of a majority coming true. He might not even hold a minority after the next election.
We still have a Charter, something the "Liberals" here in BC found out when the Supreme Court ruled they had violated the rights of union workers here.
Traditionally, those who support the tyranny are those most likely to turn up at the polls on Election Day. Those who have given up believe their vote doesn't matter anyhow, so why bother? I never miss my chance to get my name stroked off the list. Thing is, if life-and-death matters are going to be decided behind closed doors, what is the point of democracy?
Wolf
Wolf
Every vote counts the same and you either use it or lose it.
What would you prefer, being able to complain about a democracy that doesn't work very well or live in a country where if you don't agree with the man in power you'd better keep your mouth shut.
Churchill said it best: Democracy is the worst form of government with the exception of all other forms. It may be messy at times but it beats the alternative.
What would you prefer, being able to complain about a democracy that doesn't work very well or live in a country where if you don't agree with the man in power you'd better keep your mouth shut.
Churchill said it best: Democracy is the worst form of government with the exception of all other forms. It may be messy at times but it beats the alternative.
You skipped over the one option that matters: that of being kept in the loop so there are no behind-the-doors advantages for anyone. What happened to that right to call back an MP to call him/her to question?... or the expectation our MP's would look out for home constituency issues?
Democracy works - if those who hold the power let it.
Wolf
Democracy works - if those who hold the power let it.
Wolf
democracy works from the ground up, not the top down, that's what tyranny is.
It's the voters job to hold those who abuse their trust to account, something the conservatives will discover come the next election.
It's the voters job to hold those who abuse their trust to account, something the conservatives will discover come the next election.