More conservative attacks on Canadians rights

[Cosmo]

Good point, Cobalt. I thought the Conservatives were annoying enough before they morphed into the Biggot Squad. They really did sell out. Went from right of centre to off the charts.

 

[s243a]

This whole process was started by the libs and unfortunately has been continued by the conservatives. This is not a good thing. I would hope that the other parties and the civil liberty guys will start yelling about this crap.

If you really want to break the cycle vote libertarian.

 

[Said1]

I was under the impression that this sort of thing was already happening, prior to the present conservative government?

I could be wrong, although I don't think so.

 

[Locutus]

I wonder what the left would say and do today if one of their recent pet (ahem) prime ministers invoked the War Measures Act with the 'just watch me' attitude, let alone a conservative PM.

 

[gerryh]

I wonder what the left would say and do today if one of their recent pet (ahem) prime ministers invoked the War Measures Act with the 'just watch me' attitude, let alone a conservative PM.

and there would bea need todo that because............. or are you implying that P.E.T shouldn't have enacted the War Measures Act when he did.

 

[jwmcq625]

The Tories' actions here are a good reason to vote against them in the next election.

And just who do you suggest that we vote for? The Liberals who spent their political careers enriching their friends in the advertising business in Quebec and Ontario as well as outright stealing from us, or the NDP who would raise taxes so that they can gives us more socialism? I for one would rather have a government who stays out of our lives period, and the party who is closest to that is the Conservatives whether you like it or not.

The Liberals had 12 years to fulfill their promises to us, but instead they gave us many things that we did not want or ask for. Both the the Liberals and the NDP are fighting for the left of the political spectrum, and we all know what happens to countries and policies that want to be all things to all people. I watched a discussion regarding Quebec's "Universal Daycare Program" and the conclusion was that it has been a very expensive social failure in terms of providing daycare to the middle and low income Quebecers. The conclusion was that those that benefited from the program are the very people it was not meant to accommodate, namely the upper middle-class and the upper-class. The poor were not able to access the allotted spaces because they did not have the political connections. Also the conclusion is that it was a terrible failure, an unsustainable program, as well as unaffordable.

I suspect that the boogey man that the Liberals and the NDP tried to portray the Conservatives to be has in reality not come to pass, and if an election is called soon and Duceppe is threatening the big winner will be the Conservatives. Dion has proven himself to be an incompetent, not worthy of support and the NDP is all for raising taxes to fund their social agenda, that most of us do not want. Lets have a Fall election so the Conservatives can have a majority, and once and for all put the Bloc where they belong, simply a one issue party who has no business being paid but the country they make a business of hating.

 

[lone wolf]

Gun Control was NOT a Tory thing. It's they who pull the strings who have to be pushed away from the reins.

Wolf

 

[Tonington]

The whole party is based on dishonesty, remember how much they screamed about Liberal partonage in Quebec, where does the bulk of federal-provincial funding go now...to buy votes in Quebec.:roll:

I don't think that's a new development.

 

[Locutus]

and there would bea need todo that because............. or are you implying that P.E.T shouldn't have enacted the War Measures Act when he did.

I wonder what the left would say and do today if one of their recent pet (ahem) prime ministers invoked the War Measures Act with the 'just watch me' attitude, let alone a conservative PM.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/hypothetical


Let's say Chretien invoked it, ok. At the behest of maybe Eggleton . Remember him, (he was first to send troops to Afghanistan and forgot to tell us that our military helped send prisoners to Gitmo), yeah, that guy. Anyway, let's make believe that Art and Jean got all scared about bearded brown-skinned guys and such. Or even their most recent guy, Martin. They were all playing 'war' with George remember. Terrorists in 1970, terrorists in 2001.

 

[Locutus]

I don't think that's a new development.

Exactly. They're all lyin' bums. All politicians. We have to choose from the best of them every few years is the problem. Lawyers and millionaires. Gotta love 'em. :lol:

 

[Cosmo]

The conservatives were caught once again busily chipping away at the rights and freedoms generations of Canadians have worked to bring us. This latest case involves the conservatives seeking to obtain personal information about online activites of Canadians without independent oversight or warrants.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070912/spying_internet_070912/20070912/


I just listened to Stockwell Day on CBCs Searh Engine and he used the tired old conservative practice of blaming the Liberals. The Liberals had also looked at this issue in 2002 and 2005 but did it in a open and public fashion, unlike the dishonest process under Harper. This is just one more instance of a PM who wants to do everything out of the public light as he increases his own personal power.

If Days contention that he had no idea this was going on in his own ministry is true he should step down. If he's lying and is trying to violate our right to privacy at Harpers direction they both should step down. This behaviour is unacceptable in a just society.

In the last few months we've seen police masqarading as protestors at a federaly controlled summit trying to turn a peaceful demonstration into a riot, a conservative MP here in BC trying to muscle an NDP MP out of his own riding and now the conservatives undertaking secret intiatives that could remove our right to privacy.

Sounds like fascism to me.

Back to topic ...

Did anyone actually read the link??

Privacy watchdogs are crying foul over an attempt by the Public Safety Canada to come up with legislation that will force telecommunications providers to cough up personal information about their clients to authorities.

Emphasis mine. That is downright terrifying. Does it matter which party is trying to curtail our freedoms? This isn't a right/left issue, really, it's a Canadian citizen issue. This is Canada's version of the Patriot Act and that ought to be the focus here, imho.

Ya, I detest the Conservatives, especially now that they've joined forces with the Reform freaks, but if this were my beloved NDP or the Liberals I voted for proposing such legislation, I would still be outraged. I cannot believe that anyone would accept this willingly.

 

[Tonington]

I think Ben Franklin said it best with regards to this situation:

They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security

 

[Avro]

Harper and Bush are indeed close pals it seems.

Bush will go down in history as the worst president ever, I wonder if Harper is trying to follow in his footsteps?

 

[gerryh]

I wonder what the left would say and do today if one of their recent pet (ahem) prime ministers invoked the War Measures Act with the 'just watch me' attitude, let alone a conservative PM.

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/hypothetical


Let's say Chretien invoked it, ok. At the behest of maybe Eggleton . Remember him, (he was first to send troops to Afghanistan and forgot to tell us that our military helped send prisoners to Gitmo), yeah, that guy. Anyway, let's make believe that Art and Jean got all scared about bearded brown-skinned guys and such. Or even their most recent guy, Martin. They were all playing 'war' with George remember. Terrorists in 1970, terrorists in 2001.

I see no reason to invoke the war measures act now nor back in 2001. WE were not attacked.

Truedeau's use of the war measures act basically put an end to the FLQ.