Montreal store kicks out veteran selling poppies

[sanctus]

It is really shocking to hear such blatent disregard and disrespect for those Men and Women who worked, sacrificed and died to give you the world in which you can freely write on this forum even those wasteful posts filled with drivel...
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Wrong, it is because we hold such respect for our people that we speak out against the waste of war. It is because we do not want to see anybody else from this country get sacrificed over an ideology or point of view. War is always wrong, and always a waste.

 

[northstar]

not want to see anybody else from this country get sacrificed over an ideology or point of view.

--sanctus

I am sorry for you if that is as far as you have reached in your learning. I wonder what our men and women would think if we were to state to them that it is mere 'idealogy' that the war is about, not the facts, and not the treat.

Was it 'idealogy' that hit the world trade centre?

Or perhaps it was IDEALOGY that planted the suicide bombers in BALI, MADRI,LONDON,

and was it IDEALOGY that inspired the Terrorist plot stopped by the RCMP in Toronto...

I wonder what the children would think of the IDEALOGY that caused their Mommies and DADDIES to suffer and die horrible pain-filled deaths in the world trade centre...

those thousands of children who lost a parent, an aunt, an uncle, a cousin, and who will have another Christmas without them...oh, right it is mere IDEALOGY...

I wonder what Idealogy WAS of the old lady who was taking care of sick children and got murdered with a knife in the back because of the 'idealogy' of fanatical Jihad Muslim terrorists.

I wonder what idealogy the 14 teens feel about the gang rapes that happened and were SCRIPTURALLY APPROVED by the paid leader of Fanatical Jihad Muslims in Australia.

Explain to me how this IDEALOGY works then, when terrorists are allowed to take over the world...

In the meantime, I am disgusted.

 

[northstar]

Lest We Forget

Broad shoulders, Bright eyesTall
with confidenceMother's tears, Father's pride
FamilyStands on the dock
As the ship pulls away.
EuropeBattles lie in the wake
Of young soldiers;
Boys and girls
Adults before their time
All dreamOf the romances of war,
Of the role they will play
Oblivious to the hell
Waiting for them
Beyond the shore.
Bombs fly,Canons blaze,Guns fire;Khat
!A soldier falls
Not older than nineteen
he wasBehind him,
Family,Friends,A lover;
All never to see him again.
Fathers, brothers, uncles, nephews, sons,
Mothers, sisters, aunts, nieces, daughters
On the frontlines,
In the hospitals;
All striving, fighting
For a common goal;
All in this fight together.
Victory,Defeat,
The material, physical fight is over,
But the emotional, internal fight
Will forever continue
Forever will they relive,
Forever will they remember,
Forever will they grieve
Forever will they honour
And be honoured.
They did the unthinkable;
They wentTo Hell and Back again
They all gave the ultimate sacrifice;
They fought,They sweated,
They cried,They bled,They died;
Many gave their young lives
All in the name of their country,
All in the name of pride,
All in the name of love,
All in the name of Freedom;
They brought us to where we are today.
May we forever respect them,
May we forever thank them,
May we forever honour them,
May we forever remember;
Lest We Forget

Jennifer Flynn, 18
Toronto, Ontario

I found this beautiful poem at the Canadian Vetran's website...Isn't it great when young people get it, and yet some adults don't?

 

[ottawabill]

ditto...

but nothing more to say!!

I got upset and ranted away earlier on this thread but I am so discusted by this one track my way or the hwy thinking of Sactum and others I realy don't wish to continue.

Ignoring all that has been said ..I just hope people of reason will wear a poppy, and show up on Remberance day to honour the past commitments and support the present commitments of men and women how continually fight for us to sit on forums and blibber out nonsence and vote governments in and out of office....It was NOT or IS NOT just a given to be free..

 

[northstar]

here-here...you said it!!!!

 

[the caracal kid]

"you have nothing to fear but fear itself".

 

[tracy]

I actually miss that poppy time of year since I moved to the US. It's the one time of year I feel really homesick because they don't do it here.

 

[Sassylassie]

I buy a poppy aday, by the time I get back to the truck boom the poppy is gone. I can't keep them attached to me. The poppy reminds me of snow, and today we had our first snow fall. Usually the first snow fall is Rememberance Day or later but it's early this year. Thankfully my snow tires were put on this afternoon so I'm ready for the nasty white stuff. I'll never miss snow, ever.

 

[CDNBear]

government tends to be a form of national socialist party methodology regardless, it is largely just a bipartisan front. As for the actual issue:

the article says that companies that wern't in favour of letting poppies being sold, were pressured into allowing it. if the legion is going to be rude in denying the original request then perhaps they shouldn't be so well received. that is what freedom is about no? having your own opinion and it being respected.

although I think that the legion shouldn't be interacting with business activities, they should be canvasing, and selling at their activities etc. all that plastic is rather a waste too, it doesn't represent wwell. why don't they sell real poppies or a reusable fabric. if people cared why do they need to buy new plastic poppies year round, it is such a waste, and very inefficient.

why does the legion need to raise money anyway? don't they get pensions from the government? it makes no sense, the legion should be for war vets NOT a place for community politics in regard to a national holiday. the government is covering it anyway. "selling the war" is another thing, why doesn't the military itself do these things. dont vets have something better to do in their retierments then stand in shops and sell nicknacs? is that even honourable, it is a bad joke as far as i am concerned.

they should encourage people to come into the legion and buy them there.

as for this story, if there isn't space there isn't space, why doesn't the legion set up small tents outside or or something, or invite people , they are essentially like any solisitors, of course having the occassion to show support is one thing doing it in and around banks, shops etc... and not obliging original requests does not reflect well on the legion in my opinion.

although i think that rememberance day and the time leading up to it is remembered and insittuted in schools etc.. i think that what really occured was not about "freedom" whatsoever it was about political ideology, anyone who follows history knows that germany was treated horibly after WWI . the whole thing is a ing thing to remember.

Although they played politics and they appear to still be doing the same thing.

any country that institutes the draft contrary to the will of the people is not a free country. throwing people in jail for nuetrility is not a sign of a free country, and selling poppies is not free. it is a waste of money. why not buy real poppies in afghanistan and sell them? etc..

Although i have nothing against the legion i find the practice to be a waste of time, and not honourable or dignified for a war vet, it makes a novelty out of the personal sacrifices and dangers in some cases they faced. although i personally think that canada's wars have no been canada's wars, they have been british wars or american wars. perhaps i just don't identify. I think that it may have been different if they only aimed to "liberate" but as you see after "the wars" there was occupation and "booty". those are the negative aspects of war, there are no real boundries and any war fought is a war fought againt ourselves, there can be no victor in that instance.


instead of standing why not speak out? why not share their life stories, why not sell at speakers corner, or a public forum.

perhaps there is information i don't have.
but saying "they saved us" is bs as far as i am concerned, they didn't save us, they killed them.

it is gods plan. regardless of all the madmen in the world today that rule by force in a "government" that oppresses freedom ongoing by the nature of it's cult, there is only hypocracy to claim that freedom is gained by murder and oppression.

only those with god are free. madness.

Good points.

I would like to just make a couple points to you though, if I may?

If not for the selfless and in some cases, the self sacrifices made by these men and women. You post would likely be in German, and you would not likely have the voice or privilidge to voice you discontent with the Feurhurs Soldiers sell Weirmachts at the HaWeGe Deutsches Haus.

Sorry that they are putting you out, I must apologise that the cold can be hard on the elderly, especially when shrapnel wounds close to joints act up in temps close to 1 degree happen.

I guess the freezing weather and blistering hot rounds wizzing past them, that they endured in the name of freedom and all that is just, should have been enough for them.

 

[the caracal kid]

to add, bear,

people with god are not free at all. People that are god are free. (a serious recognition, and not one of egotistic proclamations, but recognition of what one really is within the universal system.)

 

[CDNBear]

to add, bear,

people with god are not free at all. People that are god are free. (a serious recognition, and not one of egotistic proclamations, but recognition of what one really is within the universal system.)

I love your thoughts, but you gotta stop makin my brain bleed from deep thoughts, lol.

Should I change any referrence to freedom or free, to perseived freedom or free? lol.

 

[northstar]

people with god are not free at all. People that are god are free. (a serious recognition, and not one of egotistic proclamations, but recognition of what one really is within the universal system.)

--kkid or I-THINK-IAM-GOD-SO-I-AM-GOD-NOW-DONATE-IN-MY-HAT....

Bear, this is about as "DEEP' into stupidity as you will find...

but don't tell the kid this, shhhhh! he/she/it thinks he/sh/it is GOD....perhaps dropped on the head as an infant???????????????

 

[the caracal kid]

:lol:

perhaps bear, perhaps... (perceived,relative....)

 

[CDNBear]

--kkid or I-THINK-IAM-GOD-SO-I-AM-GOD-NOW-DONATE-IN-MY-HAT....

Bear, this is about as "DEEP' into stupidity as you will find...

but don't tell the kid this, shhhhh! he/she/it thinks he/sh/it is GOD....perhaps dropped on the head as an infant???????????????

Actually north, I've come to admire caracal, deep thoughts help straighten warped, damaged or blurred perceptions sometimes. I have many battles going on in my head on many issues, sometimes reflection and a sence of 'being' is needed to ground ones self in the here and now. That way a great and more benneficial vatage point or view of a great picture can be seen.

I may not agree with caracal's position on battle or such, but I agree with caracal having the right to have it. Cararcal made a valiant and heart felt point as to caracals position on war and that position in my eyes, was valid and defendable. Not left vs. right, not political, but true, heart felt and from a sence of compassion. Do you understand what I'm saying?

 

[northstar]

well, to each his own,

I fail to see how anyone can take a look at selling poppys and go on about how we are not free, and all the goobly -goop about the mortgage, give me a break, this is about veteran's selling poppies and the significance of this event...

We all are victim to our environments in forming our opinions

.--ckid

This happens to be a pretty nice environment, if not for the vetrans we would indeed be victims, but we are NOT, and they should be shown some respect...

The comments about freedom just show disregard and disrespect for what these men and women did for our country.

 

[the caracal kid]

thanks bear.

northstar, it would appear you did not read the part in parenthesis. To explain a little, it means that the closest to real explanation for the human construct of a god (read that again, human construct - which is all gods are) is that that the entire universe and thus everything within it is this "god", thus everything is "god" in its natural state. In seeing ourselves in our true nature, we see ourselves in everything. In promoting a separation we starve ourselves of understanding.

"This happens to be a pretty nice environment, if not for the vetrans we would indeed be victims, but we are NOT, and they should be shown some respect..."

prove we would be victims. You are espousing propaganda and nothing more. You can not prove things would be better or worse, but only different. Only from a position of "this is the best" can you conclude an alternate would be worse. This however enslaves you to a set past (narrow-mindedness).

"The comments about freedom just show disregard and disrespect for what these men and women did for our country. "

No it does not. It fairly addesses what freedom really is.

One must ask why you are so fearful.

 

[northstar]

Give me a break this thread is about respecting the vetrans who sell Poppies and you have no other way to hide your disregard and disrespect by going on about this philosphy or that philosopy.

the bottom line is you don't give a darn, and you cna't respect the sacrific these people have made for the country in which you are enjoying today!

 

[northstar]

Here are some excerpts from a soldier that l got from the war veteran's of Canada Website...they really help you get a glipse of what it must have been like, in a strange, hostile environment far away from home,

April, 1915 — Mont de Cats

Apr.9

The country round about is most beautiful. We route-marched this morning to the top of Mont de Cats, a great hill rising some five hundred feet above sea-level. The view was magnificent. In the distance lay the Belgian frontier and everywhere, close at hand, were little hamlets and tall church spires, half-hidden behind poplar trees. The red roofs of the house-tops contrasted pleasingly with the green and brown of the rich country side. Great white cobbled highways stretched themselves into long ribbons over the hills, and the poplar trees followed them, until they ran out of sight, beyond the waving arms of distant windmills.



As we gazed upon this bit of Old Eden, it was hard to realize that, but a few miles away, the guns were roaring and men were falling in agony.

On the summit of Mont de Cats is a Monastery—a relic of the Middle Ages—which has been lately turned into a Hospital. There is also, here, the antique framework of a windmill long since superannuated.



June, 1916 — Third Battle of Ypres

June 7 Advanced Dressing Station, "Railway Dug-Outs."

We arrived here—three stretcher squads of us—this afternoon. Along the Ypres road were scattered the debris of War—rifles, pieces of equipment, ammunition limbers, ration wagons, and dead horses. Guns of all calibre are massed hereabouts. The small guns are firing continuously. The Dressing Station is built into the Railway Embankment, and is practically shell-proof.

June 14

For forty-eight hours we have been working without a stop, and still the fighting is going on, and the wounded are falling faster than we can pick them up. It has rained all week. The trenches are knee-deep—in some places waist-deep, with mud and water. The dead and wounded lie everywhere: in trenches, and shell pits, and along the sodden roads. Two thousand wounded have passed through our hands since the attack. Hundreds more are dying of exposure a mile away, and we cannot reach them. The wounded who are already here must lie outside the Dressing Station, in the open, under the rain, until their turn comes.

We shall be relieved tonight, for twelve blessed hours, by the 3rd Field Ambulance.

Wow, can you imagine??? I just want to plan that POPPY parade!!!

 

[the caracal kid]

northstar,

what veterans have done is of their own choices. There are many, many aspects to how I view their choices and actions. It is not so simple as "get in line and do as you are told". If it were, or even to be presented as such the way you do, then there would be that much less percieved freedom! You seem to want everybody to tow the line with you, and if they don't? Is that what people fought and died for? Some of them did, some of them did not. If you respect the concept of people fighting so each can have a voice, then you should not be so quick to make personal attacks on people for not bowing to your views. Where is the respect for the veterans in that?

 

[northstar]

cariokakid, go eat some poppies...