Molester, dad abused boy while mom watched

[selfactivated]

For a mother and father who watched/helped abuse their own kid? Yes, I could flip the switch easily. And I'm serious, not some blowhard macho dork.

There are some things for which there should be NO forgiveness. Sexually abusing young children is one of them.

That might make me non-PC, but there ya go. I'm honest, anyway.

My step abused me for ten years....my mother knew......she absolutely knew. I didnt want her dead....I did him for the longest time but even as I grew up until recently I wanted him dead. Recently Ive realised I just wanted a real family, a giving Loving family. Killing him would not give me that.

Revenge isnt healing, moving on is healing.

Just another view point on the subject

 

[hermanntrude]

Awesome post.

Someone else pointed out that an execution is more expensive than jailing someone. My answer to that is this: A .45 caliber bullet to the back of the head of these pedophiles should only cost about 30 cents. Why anyone would be concerned about treating someone who has choked a child to death while sodomizing them humanely, is beyond me.

If it were my child, I would spend my life savings on hiring a doctor to keep these perverts alive while I had my way with them for months.

yes very clever. we'll start shooting people in the back of the head. brilliant. It would probably STILL cost an enormous amount to process the death sentence. I'd suggest that it's not the physical cost of the actual execution but the lead up to it, the repeated appeals, the special wings in prisons for those who are waiting for death, the time of the various magistrates QC's, senators, vice presidents etc etc etc who all seem to get involved.

 

[hermanntrude]

If it were my child, I would spend my life savings on hiring a doctor to keep these perverts alive while I had my way with them for months.

And you'd be a criminal too, then.

 

[tracy]

too many bleeding hearts for that to ever happen.

I seriously doubt that. I'm as bleeding heart as they come and I would happily see pedophiles imprisonned for life.

 

[hermanntrude]

My step abused me for ten years....my mother knew......she absolutely knew. I didnt want her dead....I did him for the longest time but even as I grew up until recently I wanted him dead. Recently Ive realised I just wanted a real family, a giving Loving family. Killing him would not give me that.

Revenge isnt healing, moving on is healing.

Just another view point on the subject

and the only experienced view on this thread I think. I value your opinion very highly here. If someone can go through that and still realise that logically it wouldn't help to kill the perpetrator, then why should we all be clamouring for his blood?

I'll say it again and again and again. Killing is wrong.

 

[TenPenny]

I don't think of executing them as revenge. It's prevention. In order to stop people from committing the crime of sexually abusing kids, you need to stop the brain function that causes the behaviour. Executing them will stop the brain function. It prevents the action from recurring.

It's not revenge, it's prevention. It does nothing to help past victims; neither does jailing or psychiatric treatment, for that matter.

In your case, self (thank you for being so open, by the way), if your mother knew, but did not participate, my execution rule wouldn't apply to her.

 

[tracy]

That's not much of a punishment. The general population of the max and supermax prisons aren't the "honour bound" criminals of old. They're mostly all anti social dangerous people, who are all twisted. The old idea that child molestors don't last long is long gone.

I doubt it's a nice place to live. I doubt child killers get treated very nicely there.

I think killing them is too easy for them. Put a needle in their arm and they go to sleep like they're having an operation in a hospital. Let them live in a cell like a caged animal for a few decades. Seems far worse to me.

 

[selfactivated]

and the only experienced view on this thread I think. I value your opinion very highly here. If someone can go through that and still realise that logically it wouldn't help to kill the perpetrator, then why should we all be clamouring for his blood?

I'll say it again and again and again. Killing is wrong.

Its a very selfish view. If I want blood that makes me as bad as him and Im not.

 

[thomaska]

yes very clever. we'll start shooting people in the back of the head. brilliant. It would probably STILL cost an enormous amount to process the death sentence. I'd suggest that it's not the physical cost of the actual execution but the lead up to it, the repeated appeals, the special wings in prisons for those who are waiting for death, the time of the various magistrates QC's, senators, vice presidents etc etc etc who all seem to get involved.

Well, for those people where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt. I say the window of appeals time should be about 10 minutes, or until they get them out behind the courthouse. Whichever is shorter. Maybe if sexual predators knew that a quick and ignoble end awaited them, rather than interminable appeals and appearances on Oprah, they might be able to control those urges. And if not, the solution to their urge problems is rather final.

 

[hermanntrude]

I don't think of executing them as revenge. It's prevention. In order to stop people from committing the crime of sexually abusing kids, you need to stop the brain function that causes the behaviour. Executing them will stop the brain function. It prevents the action from recurring.

It's possible to prevent without killing

 

[TenPenny]

It's nasty I admit. but i can think of worse. I'm not a niaeve person and my mind can sink as low as any man's

Really? You can think of something worse?

 

[thomaska]

And you'd be a criminal too, then.

Yeah I'd feel terrible too, let me tell you.:roll:

 

[tracy]

I don't think of executing them as revenge. It's prevention. In order to stop people from committing the crime of sexually abusing kids, you need to stop the brain function that causes the behaviour. Executing them will stop the brain function. It prevents the action from recurring.

It's not revenge, it's prevention. It does nothing to help past victims; neither does jailing or psychiatric treatment, for that matter.
.

I would agree with the prevention argument if prevention could only be achieved through execution. That isn't the case. Putting them in jail for life would prevent those crimes too.

 

[hermanntrude]

Well, for those people where there is absolutely no doubt of guilt. I say the window of appeals time should be about 10 minutes, or until they get them out behind the courthouse. Whichever is shorter. Maybe if sexual predators knew that a quick and ignoble end awaited them, rather than interminable appeals and appearances on Oprah, they might be able to control those urges. And if not, the solution to their urge problems is rather final.

yes and then one day some guy is given 10 minutes to appeal, cries a lot, can't think straight, gets shot in the head and a week later a witness shows up from being on holiday and proves without a doubt that the guy was innocent.

Honestly don't be rediculous, law doesnt work this fast, and it shouldn't. Anyone dealt the death sentence should obviously be allowed as many appeals as it takes to prove the situation one way or the other. And if you don't kill the person but merely prevent them from re-offending, you've got a chance of finding out what really happened.

 

[hermanntrude]

Yeah I'd feel terrible too, let me tell you.:roll:

you would when some other over-emotional crazy comes along, points the finger and has YOU shot in the head as well. everything would be so much better then, eh? the world'd be a better place?

two wrongs do NOT make a right when will people learn?

 

[thomaska]

I'm not really getting why retribution is such a bad thing. Especially when it comes to child molestors and rapists. Maybe I'm just not evolved enough. Thank god.

 

[TenPenny]

I would agree with the prevention argument if prevention could only be achieved through execution. That isn't the case. Putting them in jail for life would prevent those crimes too.

To me, the risk that the person gets out is too high. Too much risk, too little reason to accept the risk.

But that's why I'm heartless.

 

[hermanntrude]

Really? You can think of something worse?

all it takes is imagination. I don't want to spell it out but i can think of ten scenarios worse given some time. It makes me sick to know i'm capable of that kind of imagination but I am.

 

[Outta here]

Zan

Do you think that natural culling among living creatures isn't a part of life?

Absolutely.

Yet I continue to struggle with that which sets us apart from all other creatures. As much as we are a part of this interconnectedness with all other life, we DO have a sentience that enables us to think about the ramifications and the rightness/wrongness of our actions. We can CHOOSE how to respond, rather rely on pure instinct.

... or can we?

I am brought full circle with this question. For if it were my child at the hands of a monster, my gut response would be to cull the herd...and fast. Which would win... instinct or thought? Which should win? I can't say I know for sure. Everything within me says killing - for any reason - is wrong. Yet I would want - perhaps even be overcome with the urge - to commit that wrong if the choice was before me. I don't say that lightly; I know I would pay the price within my own conscience for it.

 

[tracy]

To me, the risk that the person gets out is too high. Too much risk, too little reason to accept the risk.

But that's why I'm heartless.

You're being a bit dramatic aren't you? No one called you heartless.

I think not becoming a killer myself is a very good reason to imprison rather than execute.