I admire your conviction about your convictions Hermanntrude. I too once felt the same way. Perhaps I will again some day. Not today though.
Molester, dad abused boy while mom watched
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Hi Tracy..
How is depleting the resources of the whole in supporting the existence of someone who's elected to behave outside the bounds of civil society any benefit to the whole?
I live on far less per year than Canadians spend on maintaining prisons per capita...I've never comitted an anti-social act against anyone....why do I deserve to live a second class life while rapists and murderers recieve six times the benefits I do?
How is depleting the resources of the whole in supporting the existence of someone who's elected to behave outside the bounds of civil society any benefit to the whole?
I live on far less per year than Canadians spend on maintaining prisons per capita...I've never comitted an anti-social act against anyone....why do I deserve to live a second class life while rapists and murderers recieve six times the benefits I do?
In a "natural schema" i'd be dead. I guess so would some of your relatives. Nature isn't fair. Humans can at least try to be
Hi Tracy..
How is depleting the resources of the whole in supporting the existence of someone who's elected to behave outside the bounds of civil society any benefit to the whole?
I live on far less per year than Canadians spend on maintaining prisons per capita...I've never comitted an anti-social act against anyone....why do I deserve to live a second class life while rapists and murderers recieve six times the benefits I do?
I agree with you that prisons are uneccesarily luxurious. empty them out, get rid of the frills,but you've got to expect it's going to be expensive, since the security has to be tight. It's not good that so much money should be spent on them, but at the same time I imagine it costs rather a lot to get someone sentenced to death and executed too. And I think that not killing these people is worth a very high price indeed
Hi Tracy..
How is depleting the resources of the whole in supporting the existence of someone who's elected to behave outside the bounds of civil society any benefit to the whole?
I live on far less per year than Canadians spend on maintaining prisons per capita...I've never comitted an anti-social act against anyone....why do I deserve to live a second class life while rapists and murderers recieve six times the benefits I do?
It's more expensive to kill someone than to jail them for life, so the resources argument doesn't fly.
If you really wanted to live in prison, you know how to get there. Something tells me things are better on the outside no matter how bad they may be. You don't deserve to live a lesser life than they do. Something tells me that no matter how little financial resources you have, you live a much better life than they do.
The reason we shouldn't kill them is because unecessary killing is wrong. We're better than murderers and rapists because we don't kill people, we don't rape people. That's pretty simple to me. ]
Tracey, Hermann et al, I know you're right. In my heart, I do know better. Killing is wrong, any way you look at it. I know that.
The utter injustice that one human being can wreak such havoc and pain upon another and there's NOTHING that can be done to completely heal or undo that is what's got me in a twist over this all. As much as I say I'd be driven to retribution, I know that those thoughts, and worse, acting on those thoughts would in the end, be the end of my sanity. Yet, doing nothing - apart from seeing the perp serve life in prison - would seem so trivial a response to such a loss.
Screwed either way.
No, capital punishment is likely not the answer. If it actually DID end the horror right then and there, I think I might just become a supporter of it. The reality is though, that there IS no answer to the fact that a crime like this doesn't end with the criminal act. The damage is perpetuated throughout the entire family's life until they are no more. It is this pain I beleive that drives the urge to retribution... a seeking to somehow alleviate or ease the horror of what has happened.
I wonder if any families who have seen the death penalty imposed on perps who killed their loved ones felt any better afterwards? I imagine it would seem a hollow victory when it was all said and done.
I agree life isnt fair. Justice, however, which is what we're talking about, is supposed to be very closely related to fairness
For a mother and father who watched/helped abuse their own kid? Yes, I could flip the switch easily. And I'm serious, not some blowhard macho dork.
There are some things for which there should be NO forgiveness. Sexually abusing young children is one of them.
That might make me non-PC, but there ya go. I'm honest, anyway.
Justice...please define this justice you speak of...
When an intersection accumulates sufficient carnage...lights get put up..or a stop sign... when we have the means and intention to intercede in life threatening dynamics...we do. Isn't justice a matter of perspective?
If it's unjust to execute someone for their behavior...and there appears to be little evidence to support the idea that they can be rehabilitated....is it just to ignore putting up that stop sign or traffic control signals?
There are more people in prison for ridiculous relatively petty crimes than murderers and rapists.
If the individuals 'convictions' inform consciousness that killing in the name of "justice" is wrong...
When an intersection accumulates sufficient carnage...lights get put up..or a stop sign... when we have the means and intention to intercede in life threatening dynamics...we do. Isn't justice a matter of perspective?
If it's unjust to execute someone for their behavior...and there appears to be little evidence to support the idea that they can be rehabilitated....is it just to ignore putting up that stop sign or traffic control signals?
There are more people in prison for ridiculous relatively petty crimes than murderers and rapists.
If the individuals 'convictions' inform consciousness that killing in the name of "justice" is wrong...
I don't give a **** about PC, before anyone starts labelling me as a bleeding-heart-PC-liberal wet fool or whatever political names people want to come up with to sling at me as if it was a real debate.
I just don't think it's right to kill. And even if I did, i'm not sure I'd be happy with the powers-that-be being able to say "he deserves to die, but he doesn't" based on some pretty arbitrary rules in court.
death is a part of life but it's not part of any kind of healing process OR a part of justice
I just don't think it's right to kill. And even if I did, i'm not sure I'd be happy with the powers-that-be being able to say "he deserves to die, but he doesn't" based on some pretty arbitrary rules in court.
death is a part of life but it's not part of any kind of healing process OR a part of justice
That's not much of a punishment. The general population of the max and supermax prisons aren't the "honour bound" criminals of old. They're mostly all anti social dangerous people, who are all twisted. The old idea that child molestors don't last long is long gone.
I have nothing against a life=life kind of sentence. I agree prevention should be the sole aim of any sentence handed out. but death isnt necessary
That's fine. I'm glad that there are people who don't believe in capital punishment, because it makes the debate stronger, which is a good thing. It should never be done lightly.
My list of crimes for which capital punishment is appropriate is a short one: sexual abuse of children.
Sexually abusing a child is, in my opinion, the worst crime that an individual can commit.
Hi Tracy..
How is depleting the resources of the whole in supporting the existence of someone who's elected to behave outside the bounds of civil society any benefit to the whole?
I live on far less per year than Canadians spend on maintaining prisons per capita...I've never comitted an anti-social act against anyone....why do I deserve to live a second class life while rapists and murderers recieve six times the benefits I do?
Awesome post.
Someone else pointed out that an execution is more expensive than jailing someone. My answer to that is this: A .45 caliber bullet to the back of the head of these pedophiles should only cost about 30 cents. Why anyone would be concerned about treating someone who has choked a child to death while sodomizing them humanely, is beyond me.
If it were my child, I would spend my life savings on hiring a doctor to keep these perverts alive while I had my way with them for months.
It's nasty I admit. but i can think of worse. I'm not a niaeve person and my mind can sink as low as any man's