Mikhail Lennikov
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Wrong..... but this wouldn't be the first time, now would it.
You are right Soc, in who you are pointing fingers at.
"1. The government says it is just respecting the courts and enforcing the law. Is that correct?
Not entirely. The law does not require that former spies be deported if the minister of public safety decides otherwise; the question is why the minister agreed to this particular deportation. That's his own decision, and it is the government that chose to deport Lennikov; the courts have merely confirmed that it's legal to do so. They have not ruled on whether it's a good idea.
Section 34 (1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act (IRPA) makes former enemy spies "inadmissible" to Canada — but not necessarily. The next line — Section 34 (2) —empowers the minister of public safety to cancel that "inadmissibility" if the person is no threat to Canada. It says that the provisions excluding spies "do not constitute inadmissibility in respect of ... a foreign national who satisfies the Minister that their presence in Canada would not be detrimental to the national interest."
The issue, then, is why Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan thinks Lennikov is "detrimental to the national interest." In the words of Pastor Richard Hergesheimer of Vancouver's First Lutheran Church, where Lennikov is living, "Well, what's the issue here? What are we supposed to be afraid of with this man?"
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Mikhail Lennikov: 10 common questions about deportation case
Nope, it wouldn't be a first that I'd be wrong, if I actually was; I can admit that, unlike you and several others here. But, it ISN'T the pols sending him away. It IS Zinn, the judge. The gov't wanted to send him back and had a problem with doing just that. It went to court and a judge ordered him sent back.
Then admit your wrong, the courts did NOT make the decision to deport him. The government did.
The law does not require that former spies be deported if the minister of public safety decides otherwise; the question is why the minister agreed to this particular deportation. That's his own decision, and it is the government that chose to deport Lennikov; the courts have merely confirmed that it's legal to do so. They have not ruled on whether it's a good idea.
Idiot? Still more than you can handle. lol
As far as the admission goes, if I was wrong you can stick it anyway; you'd never admit being wrong to me so I won't to you.
Les, I think it's pretty clear that the Judge is not where the deportation order originates from, that's simply not their role.
There's a number of quotes in there that explicitly state where the order originates, like this one:
Asked specifically if the minister was concerned that the errors undermined the credibility of the government's position, McCluskey chose not to deny the errors but replied, "Any deficiency in the process would be subject to judicial review."
He added that, "The Courts have thoroughly reviewed all aspects of the case." Actually, the June 1 ruling by Justice Russel Zinn of the Federal Court made no comment on the factual errors in the minister's rationale for the deportation.
There's a number of quotes in there that explicitly state where the order originates, like this one:
Asked specifically if the minister was concerned that the errors undermined the credibility of the government's position, McCluskey chose not to deny the errors but replied, "Any deficiency in the process would be subject to judicial review."
He added that, "The Courts have thoroughly reviewed all aspects of the case." Actually, the June 1 ruling by Justice Russel Zinn of the Federal Court made no comment on the factual errors in the minister's rationale for the deportation.
Forget it....this f*ckin moron doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.....Like half the brain dead idiots on here, he doesn't have a f*ckin clue what he's talking about.
I know, honest I do. *Points to a hole and says, That's a hole". Points to my backside and says, "That's my a$$".*
Boy, talk about being brain dead. You can't even tell when you're being elbowed in the ribs. roflmao
Justice delayed is justice denied, we think our "system" can solve any problem, but it can't. We blew it here. Twelve years is far too long to dispense justice. He should be able to stay. He is no dangerous KGB goon.
Considering other criminals we let into the country and can't be rid of them. Lennikov is pretty small fry and deserves to stay.
Considering other criminals we let into the country and can't be rid of them. Lennikov is pretty small fry and deserves to stay.
Just heard on the news that Mikhail Lennikov is still taking sanctuary in the church. He's determined to stay. I say good for him. Canada is being embarassingly curmudgeonly about this. They have no good grounds to expel the poor guy and want to expel him because of straight bureaucratic nonsense.
Very sad story for all concerned- the poor guy, his family, the credibility of the Gov't, the lack of fairness in the Justice system, all caused by one or more bureaucratic weasel(s), doing it for their own gains. Sometimes it just makes one ashamed.
And what's worse is that the people they really should be ejecting have been enjoying Canada for decades. Harpy cleaned up a little bit of stuff concerning food and labelling. I wish he'd do something about the bloody septic tank called the CIC.
I read this morning in the Sun newspaper a refugee claimant wasn't deported despite weapons CONVICTIONS. An absolute travesty. Lennikov is not big deal.
I think this fair. The Conservatives don't want to offend their Ukrainian supporters and give this guy a break. He is no threat to Canada.
Ten years to decide this case is far too long. Refugee cases should have a much shorter limit. Otherwise, it's corruption, Canadian style.
Judicial review coming in Lennikov case
Judicial review coming in Lennikov case
Former KGB spy keeping journal while in hiding, may write book about experiences
Mikhail Lennikov is taking sanctuary in the First Lutheran Church in Vancouver as he fights deportation. He might write a book about his experiences, the former KGB agent for the Soviet Union told Burnaby Now.
Photograph by: Wayne Leidenfrost, The Province
BURNABY, B.C. — Ex-KGB agent Mikhail Lennikov has a date for a judicial review of a decision not to let him stay in Canada on security grounds.
The government wants to deport the Burnaby resident because of his past work with the KGB in the 1980s. Lennikov has been living in a Vancouver church since early June, seeking sanctuary to avoid imminent deportation.
Lennikov came to Canada on a student visa in 1997 and has been fighting to stay for years.
Canadian immigration law states that members of an organization that spied on a democratic government are not allowed to stay in the country unless the public safety minister deems they are not detrimental to national interests.
Lennikov appealed to Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan for ministerial relief, but Van Loan said no.
The judicial review is scheduled for Sept. 10 and examines Van Loan's decision.
Meanwhile, Lennikov is blogging from sanctuary and keeping a kind of diary in the event he may write a book on the experience.
He's also hoping for a judicial review of his application for permanent residence on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
"I'm doing what I can do here, and my family is trying to carry on with what they have to do," he said.
"Uncertainty of the final outcome puts a huge emotional pressure on Irina and Dmitri," he added, referring to his wife and son.
© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service
Ten years to decide this case is far too long. Refugee cases should have a much shorter limit. Otherwise, it's corruption, Canadian style.
Judicial review coming in Lennikov case
Judicial review coming in Lennikov case
Former KGB spy keeping journal while in hiding, may write book about experiences
Mikhail Lennikov is taking sanctuary in the First Lutheran Church in Vancouver as he fights deportation. He might write a book about his experiences, the former KGB agent for the Soviet Union told Burnaby Now.
Photograph by: Wayne Leidenfrost, The Province
BURNABY, B.C. — Ex-KGB agent Mikhail Lennikov has a date for a judicial review of a decision not to let him stay in Canada on security grounds.
The government wants to deport the Burnaby resident because of his past work with the KGB in the 1980s. Lennikov has been living in a Vancouver church since early June, seeking sanctuary to avoid imminent deportation.
Lennikov came to Canada on a student visa in 1997 and has been fighting to stay for years.
Canadian immigration law states that members of an organization that spied on a democratic government are not allowed to stay in the country unless the public safety minister deems they are not detrimental to national interests.
Lennikov appealed to Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan for ministerial relief, but Van Loan said no.
The judicial review is scheduled for Sept. 10 and examines Van Loan's decision.
Meanwhile, Lennikov is blogging from sanctuary and keeping a kind of diary in the event he may write a book on the experience.
He's also hoping for a judicial review of his application for permanent residence on humanitarian and compassionate grounds.
"I'm doing what I can do here, and my family is trying to carry on with what they have to do," he said.
"Uncertainty of the final outcome puts a huge emotional pressure on Irina and Dmitri," he added, referring to his wife and son.
© Copyright (c) Canwest News Service
Yeah. The term "jackass" can't even begin to describe Van Loan and crew; "gibbering idiot" comes to mind.
Besides, how much of a threat could he be now? His photos have been wandering around in the media as well as his name and those of his family. How close to "secret" things could he ever get now?
Besides, how much of a threat could he be now? His photos have been wandering around in the media as well as his name and those of his family. How close to "secret" things could he ever get now?
Yes, obviously. The Tories need to speed up the refugee process so this kind of fiasco doesn't keep happening.Ten years is unjust.