Mikey's answer to Stevie attack ads....

[Socrates the Greek]

I agree, but we shall see the shake out of it.. Can they keep what they gain or will it be one step forward two steps back ?

Harper is a blander and that is the reason he got back to back minority terms. You are right they traditionally for the past 2 election gained 1 step forward and lost 3 steps back. The Canadian voter can see that clearly, to bad many fall victims to the carrot on the stick, with the phony illusive family photo ops, with the phony Harper smiles.

 

[Polygong]

Ignatieff, by his personal history, is far more an American than he could ever hope to be a Canadian.

If you want an American be your Prime Minister and run our country, the black hat bad guy, with the strange resemblance to the quintessential Western Movies Bad Guy, Jack Elam, Iggy is your guy.

Good Luck and may God have Mercy on Canada!

What is your basis for claiming that Iggy is more American? I mean, other than the fact that he lived in the US for 5 years?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

What is your basis for claiming that Iggy is more American? I mean, other than the fact that he lived in the US for 5 years?

Yukon has it all wrong, Iggy will give Harper a run for his money and will embarrass Harper on the next election, I think Iggy made a brilliant rebuttal to the stupid vindictive divisive propaganda ads on TV, when in fact we are not in an election mode.

 

[Cannuck]

...when in fact we are not in an election mode.

We are always in an election mode when there is a minority government.

 

[El Barto]

Ignatieff, by his personal history, is far more an American than he could ever hope to be a Canadian.

If you want an American be your Prime Minister and run our country, the black hat bad guy, with the strange resemblance to the quintessential Western Movies Bad Guy, Jack Elam, Iggy is your guy.

Good Luck and may God have Mercy on Canada!

Sounds very juvenile

 

[Unforgiven]

Attack ads are about all the Conservatives have left. No notions as what steps should come next to help bring the economy back into a growth cycle, not idea what to do with our military and no sense of the future for Canadians.

These guys aren't leaders at all. What they are is a frightened kid acting out by grabbing the ball and simply holding it until it's wrestled away so the game can continue. Harper doesn't really have any accomplishments to stand on come election time and so all they have is this sorry attempt at telling Canadians that some Canadians are better than other Canadians.

I don't think anyone other than hardcore neocon supporters see the ads as credible at all, and in fact most see them as childish and made only to distract attention from the do nothing government we have.

 

[Cannuck]

To quote El Barto, "Sounds very juvenile"

 

[lone wolf]

Why do I detect a note of deflection from the guy who made a rule that elections couldn't be called to take advantage of circumstances that may leverage a stronger government then...

- called an election at a time when his most feared opposition was in a state of turmoil
-blamed his poor attendance in caucus on resent from the opposition
-refuses to give candid interviews and media scrums
-requests full control over government policies
-assured us there'd be no recession - even though bottom was being scraped by the US economy...
-revealed "let them eat cake" attitude on the people who make the machinery work - as long as the investors made money

...would be above smearing the other guy so he won't be spanked?...

 

[lone wolf]

...oh yeah ... and went crying to GG to get her to step into the fight when an ill-suited opposition threatened to send him packing with a non-confidence vote....

 

[CDNBear]

...oh yeah ... and went crying to GG to get her to step into the fight when an ill-suited opposition threatened to send him packing with a non-confidence vote....

As he should have. Even a crotch cricket has a good idea once in a while...;-)

 

[#juan]

This June 6th poll from Nanos would suggest that Harper's snotty attack ads are not working. Getting towards majority territory......But not for Harper.

Committed Voters - Canada (N=879, MoE ± 3.3%, 19 times out of 20)

Liberal Party 37% (+1)
Conservative Party 32% (-1)
NDP 16% (+1)
BQ 8% (-1)
Green Party 7% (NC)
(*Note: Undecided 12%)

 

[captain morgan]

Gotta disagree with you juan... Based on the discussions that I've had (am having), the attack ads are having an effect, specifically in the form that this i sthe only thing that is being associayted with the liberals and iggy.

Think about for a minute. Not one person in this thread has made any form of comment relative to Iggy/Liberals and their policies... Any reference to them is based exclusively on Ignatieff's un-Canadianism.

Harper's ads are working exactly as planned... The electorate knows more about Iggy's last 30+ years in terms of living abroad and speaking badly about Canada while he was there... The simple fact that Iggy spent a whack of cash on his own ad that sought to deflect the light from his checkered past onto the collective shoulders of teh conservatives confirms that the conservative attack ads did their job very effectively.

None the less, keep posting the poll results if that makes you feel better, but bear in mind, the only poll that counts is on election day.

 

[Machjo]

YouTube - Michael's response to Conservative personal attack ads.

Methinks harper knows he can kiss that job good-bye. Hey, he got two terms ... even if he had to manipulate election dates for the most favourable terms to get them. Now, he can collect the pension and whine about people on welfare....

That's just another veiled attack add. If you listen to it, yes Ignatieff talks about issue and defends himself against the Conservative attack adds, which is reasonable enough; but then he goes on to attack Harper personally, judging Harper's character. He shouldn't need to do that; Harper's character has been revealed for all to see already. This veiled attack just brings Ignatieff down to Harper's own level. His only saving grace is 'B-b-but he hit me first'.

 

[Machjo]

Ignatieff, by his personal history, is far more an American than he could ever hope to be a Canadian.

If you want an American be your Prime Minister and run our country, the black hat bad guy, with the strange resemblance to the quintessential Western Movies Bad Guy, Jack Elam, Iggy is your guy.

Good Luck and may God have Mercy on Canada!

Who cares where he's from. Gandhi was way more Indian than he ever was Canadian. Shakespeare was way more British, and Tolstoy way more Russian. I like them all. So what's the point?

 

[Machjo]

How do you figure? The guy was 4 - 5 years in the US. If anything, he is more British, as he was there for 30 years.

Also, personality wise, I find Harper and Iggy to be very close to each other - both are controlling, type A personalities with a bit of megalomania tossed in for good measure. Harper once mused on how he wanted Canada to be more like America, and that the Republican party was a "beacon of light to the rest of the world" or some such nonsense.

The main difference I see between the men is that Iggy is more respectful and dignified in the way he acts and cares himself, where as Harper is an embarrassment every time he opens his mouth with his hyper partisan, rude and obnoxious behaviour. Iggy has also shown a lot more respect for the Canadian parliamentary system than Harper has while he has been in power. If anything Iggy is much more "Prime Ministerial" than Harper just for his demeanor.

In any event, I want policies, a vision and future for this country, beyond Harper's copying everything the Americans do, and blaming the Liberals for everything that goes wrong.

A lot of this I would agree with. Harper has come across as a schoolyard bully on a number of occasions, and quite partisan too. Harper's probably among the worst party hacks you'll come across.

 

[YukonJack]

Quoting Machjo:

"Who cares where he's from. Gandhi was way more Indian than he ever was Canadian. Shakespeare was way more British, and Tolstoy way more Russian. I like them all. So what's the point?"

I must have missed the time when Ghandi, Shakespeare and Tolstoy announced that they want to be the Prime Minister of Canada.

And just out of curiousity: What is their Party affiliation?

 

[Machjo]

Quoting Machjo:

"Who cares where he's from. Gandhi was way more Indian than he ever was Canadian. Shakespeare was way more British, and Tolstoy way more Russian. I like them all. So what's the point?"

I must have missed the time when Ghandi, Shakespeare and Tolstoy announced that they want to be the Prime Minister of Canada.

And just out of curiousity: What is their Party affiliation?

Shakespeare, I'm not sure. Tolstoy is often referred to as a Christian anarchist, but I don't know if he referred to himself that way. And I'm not sure how Gandhi would have defined himself politically, but I'd guess left-libertarian?

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded Tolstoy as Canada's PM. Sure we might have to listen to him through an interpreter and he wasn't Canadian, but he did have some good ideas. In the end, that's what really matters, he ideas, not where the person is from.

 

[#juan]

Shakespeare, I'm not sure. Tolstoy is often referred to as a Christian anarchist, but I don't know if he referred to himself that way. And I'm not sure how Gandhi would have defined himself politically, but I'd guess left-libertarian?

Honestly, I wouldn't have minded Tolstoy as Canada's PM. Sure we might have to listen to him through an interpreter and he wasn't Canadian, but he did have some good ideas. In the end, that's what really matters, he ideas, not where the person is from.

No Machjo, you don't understand. Any Canadian who is hired by the top universities in the world and employed by them for thirty odd years is automatically suspect and should not be trusted in any responsible position unless of course he is a Conservative.

 

[Machjo]

No Machjo, you don't understand. Any Canadian who is hired by the top universities in the world and employed by them for thirty odd years is automatically suspect and should not be trusted in any responsible position unless of course he is a Conservative.

Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Next election, instead of informing myself of my local candidates' character and competence, I'll focus instead on where their party eaders used to reside, because that's so much more important.

 

[DaSleeper]

No Machjo, you don't understand. Any Canadian who is hired by the top universities in the world and employed by them for thirty odd years is automatically suspect and should not be trusted in any responsible position unless of course he is a Conservative.

I like that one....

Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Next election, instead of informing myself of my local candidates' character and competence, I'll focus instead on where their party eaders used to reside, because that's so much more important.

That's how I usually vote too....75% for the local candidate and only 25% consideration for the head of the party....this is one of the things I don't particularly like about our system .... you can have a real honest individual M or F locally and he/she can't do a bloody thing because of the a$$hole at the top:angryfire: