Mike Duffy and the conservative way.

SLM

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It is puzzling why these people never get charged but to answer how do we fix this, well we will never fix all of it but a new direction with dedication to the results favouring the masses is needed.


Politics can a very dirty biz and it all starts with one person at the top who either craves power, money, fame, likeabilty etc., or worse, all at the same time.

There is also insecurities amongst these people and, if they are courted by people who make them feel good and secure they will support their cause(s).

Take the CONS under Harper. He makes UNemployment Ins harder to obtain, makes the length of time one can collect it for shorter, eliminates most of the re-training programs, then says if you are UNemployed for 6 months you have to take a job up to 30% less than your previous wages all the time allowing Companies to hire foreigners on Temporary programs in at who knows how low of a wage which still makes your 30% less too costly compared to these Foreign Temps.

He is satisfying the people who make him feel good such as those at the Frasier Institute who are backed by foreign corporates such as the Koch Brothers.

It's Maslows Theories in action.

So what's the solution?

We need a new direction that will have those same qualities to an extent but who will fight for the masses first, and not just special interest groups like the Frasier Inst et all..............

No, the answer is not to simply swap out one for another. The answer is to correct the problem at the source, which is not partisan, but systemic within the mechanism of government itself. Until that is fixed, this will continue from Conservative to Liberal government and back again, just as it always has.
 

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The following is an example of the above.............


The high-living Daniel Caron, a man with no qualifications whatsoever in library science or archival studies, is stepping down as the head of Library and Archives Canada. But not really for the right reasons. His blithering incompetence wasn’t an issue in his resignation, but it should have been.


Obviously no public servant should have his hand in the cookie jar, and forced resignation is the lightest of penalties for that sort of thing. Helping himself to taxpayers’ money for private Spanish lessons, lavish meals at the Rideau Club and expensive travel would seem to qualify as cookie-monstering, all right, and on a somewhat grander scale than Bev Oda’s $15 orange juice or even the excesses of Senator Duffy. Caron’s not even a politician, for crying out loud, and $170,000 is a lot of scratch.

A Harper appointee, Caron was in the news recently for foisting a totalitarian Code of Conduct on his employees, curtailing their off-duty professional activities. Caron insisted that a “duty of loyalty” to the government made their interactions with colleagues “high risk.”
Apparently a duty of loyalty, at least for himself, doesn’t require an undue concern for the public monies entrusted to him.

It was his actual job performance, however, that had the professionals in the field aghast. As I noted not long ago, he simply ripped and tore. He eliminated interlibrary loans, effectively denying access to LAC resources to Canadians across the country. He permitted no new acquisitions since 2009, and has hived off historically priceless items to private institutions. Caron, in fact, has just been all-around bad news, and we can now breathe a cautious sigh of relief. Adiós.

But “cautious” is, of course, the operative word. Harper is not interested in probity or competence or abilities or relevant expertise.

Blind loyalty from his apparatchiks is all that he requires, until they goof up enough to cause serious embarrassment—at which point the Conservative bus comes a-rolling, and the inevitable push comes to shove.

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National Library: a new chapter? - Dawg's Blawg (Blog)
 

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It is puzzling why these people never get charged but to answer how do we fix this, well we will never fix all of it but a new direction with dedication to the results favouring the masses is needed.


Politics can a very dirty biz and it all starts with one person at the top who either craves power, money, fame, likeabilty etc., or worse, all at the same time.

There is also insecurities amongst these people and, if they are courted by people who make them feel good and secure they will support their cause(s).

Take the CONS under Harper. He makes UNemployment Ins harder to obtain, makes the length of time one can collect it for shorter, eliminates most of the re-training programs, then says if you are UNemployed for 6 months you have to take a job up to 30% less than your previous wages all the time allowing Companies to hire foreigners on Temporary programs in at who knows how low of a wage which still makes your 30% less too costly compared to these Foreign Temps.

He is satisfying the people who make him feel good such as those at the Frasier Institute who are backed by foreign corporates such as the Koch Brothers.

It's Maslows Theories in action.

So what's the solution?

We need a new direction that will have those same qualities to an extent but who will fight for the masses first, and not just special interest groups like the Frasier Inst et all..............
two thumbs up!!!!

No, the answer is not to simply swap out one for another. The answer is to correct the problem at the source, which is not partisan, but systemic within the mechanism of government itself. Until that is fixed, this will continue from Conservative to Liberal government and back again, just as it always has.
okay true
 

SLM

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okay true

More than just true, it's important. Very important. Do you for one second think, honestly, that none of this would occur if we had a different PM in office?

It's far, far beyond time to stop this partisan B.S. and put them all in their place! Don't forget they sure do all seem to come together in unity when it's time to vote themselves a pay raise don't they?
 

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More than just true, it's important. Very important. Do you for one second think, honestly, that none of this would occur if we had a different PM in office?

It's far, far beyond time to stop this partisan B.S. and put them all in their place! Don't forget they sure do all seem to come together in unity when it's time to vote themselves a pay raise don't they?
absolutely watermark lines only...they scurry across the floor quickly when it suits them
 

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More than just true, it's important. Very important. Do you for one second think, honestly, that none of this would occur if we had a different PM in office?

It's far, far beyond time to stop this partisan B.S. and put them all in their place! Don't forget they sure do all seem to come together in unity when it's time to vote themselves a pay raise don't they?



Patronage is of course unstoppable but as I said, we need people in charge who's values are to the masses. If the people rewarded for their assistance in getting someone elected are motivated to help the majority of the population, then that is a good thing..........
 

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Patronage is of course unstoppable but as I said, we need people in charge who's values are to the masses. If the people rewarded for their assistance in getting someone elected are motivated to help the majority of the population, then that is a good thing..........
agreed
 

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Take the CONS under Harper. He makes UNemployment Ins harder to obtain, makes the length of time one can collect it for shorter, eliminates most of the re-training programs, then says if you are UNemployed for 6 months you have to take a job up to 30% less than your previous wages all the time allowing Companies to hire foreigners on Temporary programs in at who knows how low of a wage which still makes your 30% less too costly compared to these Foreign Temps.

You just can't connect the dots, can you?

Temp foreign workers are in high demand because there are so many Canadians that refuse the work that we have a shortage... Add into this situation that you (apparently) suggest that EI should be a lifestyle option that pays 100% of former wages for an unspecified period of time.

Want equity in EI - develop a system that pays out ONLY what has been paid in. You'll likely see far fewer people working for 4 or 5 months and getting on pogey for the balance of the year... Year after year after year.
 

Sal

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More than just true, it's important. Very important. Do you for one second think, honestly, that none of this would occur if we had a different PM in office?

It's far, far beyond time to stop this partisan B.S. and put them all in their place! Don't forget they sure do all seem to come together in unity when it's time to vote themselves a pay raise don't they?
i don't think though that tay was saying switch up parties, he is speaking of advocating for us in general, which is what is needed
 

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Yes that is what I am saying.

If it requires switching parties, so be it and as much as I see limited options as to which party would advocate for the masses in generall, time will tell if that will change. I do not see the conservatives switching gears and suddenly becoming concerned with the masses.



In his column this morning, Thomas Walkom suggests that Mike Duffy's current scandal-plagued problems are representative of much deeper ones in the Senate, namely that our much-cossetted members of that 'chamber of sober second thought' are appointed, not because of their expertise (many of them have none), not because of intimate knowledge of a particular province (Duffy has none, having lived in Ottawa for over 30 years and not even legally qualified to represent P.E.I.), but because the Senate has become, under both Liberal and Conservative governments, a repository of party strategists and bagmen where they can continue their partisan wizardry.

No doubt Walkom is correct as far as he goes. But the above, it seems to me, are simply symptomatic of two much deeper problems in public life, the widespread disengagement of our citizens, about which I have written before, and the shocking dearth of integrity in those who achieve high office.

For example, all of the events surrounding the Duffy porkbarreling have, quite rightly, provoked widespread outrage. However, when the abuses and betrayals of the public trust are not so obvious or so sensational, far too many citizens just shrug their shoulders and say that politics doesn't interest them. This marked indifference is precisely what has permitted, even encouraged, the depradatory environmental, science, economic and social policies the Harper regime has so avidly embraced and promoted. It is this indifference that enabled Harper to prorogue Parliament twice. It is this indifference that enabled, without even a hint of contrition, the excesses of Treasury Board President Tony 'gazeebo' Clement. I could go on and on.

A sleeping public enables, even encourages the unethical, the unprincipled, those for whom integrity is an alien concept, to prey upon and erode the public good.

I have always tried to live my life with principle and integrity, as do so many others throughout the world. Because we inhabit a world requiring adaptation and compromise, integrity and principle are ideals toward which we strive, providing, as they do, a moral compass and the recognition that the solely material and secular things of this world often come with a price too high to pay.

Canadian Senate problems go far beyond Mike Duffy: Walkom | Toronto Star
 

SLM

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i don't think though that tay was saying switch up parties, he is speaking of advocating for us in general, which is what is needed

On that one I'm not so sure.

But yes, advocating for everyone is what is needed. And regardless if the partisanship was/is subtle or more direct, it needs to be pointed out by those of us, whom I actually do believe to be the majority of Canadians, if we ever hope to take charge of the political discussion/direction in this nation.

But don't just take my word for that, read back through the threads in the Canadian Politics subforum and see just how long it takes just about every single thread to descend into Con vs Lib. It takes over and, in my opinion, completely obscures the underlying issues, which is why these cycles continue to happen. If you view this forum as potentially being a microcosm of the political landscape in this nation, it doesn't paint a very pretty picture.

If we always do what we've always done, we're going to always get what we always got.
 

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I will vote for whatever party eliminates the 'temporary worker program' bullcrap.

And what would you replace it with to address a situation of temporary jobs? Case in point a tornado creates massive damage to be cleaned up in an area where tornados happen once in 10 years.
 

SLM

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Yes that is what I am saying.

If it requires switching parties, so be it and as much as I see limited options as to which party would advocate for the masses in generall, time will tell if that will change. I do not see the conservatives switching gears and suddenly becoming concerned with the masses.

No one will be concerned with the masses until/unless we make them be concerned with the masses. Ever.
 

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Following the news that Pamela Wallin has resigned from the Conservative caucus, Andrew Coyne takes a hard look at the Mike Duffy fiasco:

So Duffy’s behaviour is not the issue. The issue is the culture that enabled it. The Tories may find it expedient to disown him now, but it wasn’t five minutes ago they were cheering him to the rafters, inviting him to campaign in their ridings and defending him in public, long after his misconduct was known. Expelling him from caucus at this late date changes nothing. The time to discipline him was when when he was first caught out, not after every alternative had been exhausted. Indeed, he should never have been appointed, if for no other reason than that he was legally ineligible: to be the senator from PEI, you have to be from PEI.

The Harperites went to great lengths to protect Duffy. They offered Patrick Brazeau no such protection.The question -- the elephant in the room -- is Why?

The revelations of recent days suggest one reason: because of the sorts of things the auditors were likely to uncover, had they been allowed to do their work. And, perhaps, because of the many other rocks that might be overturned as a result: for example, Duffy’s alleged lobbying on behalf of Sun News. (Who was the “Conservative insider with connections to the CRTC” Duffy is reported to have approached? What could possibly have led him to believe his efforts to influence a quasi-judicial tribunal would be fruitful? Did he do this entirely on his own? Unprompted? Unpaid?)

Duffy was a Conservative Party operative on the public payroll. He wasn't the first. And the problem certainly extends to senators from other parties. But this party -- this government -- came to office railing against the corruption in the House of Sober Second Thought and in government in general. Rather than insisting on accountability, the Harperites have hopped on the bandwagon.

Michael Harris reminded us of the numbers last week: "By October 2015, 62 per cent of the 105-member Senate will have been appointed by Stephen Harper."

And Harris simply stated the obvious this week. Mike Duffy may be gone. But Stephen Harper is the one who should be roasted. It is he who drives the current culture of entitlement.


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"The Harperites went to great lengths to protect Duffy. They offered Patrick Brazeau no such protection.The question -- the elephant in the room -- is Why?"

Maybe it was a matter of favourites. Remember, Gawd liked Abel best.
 

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"The Harperites went to great lengths to protect Duffy. They offered Patrick Brazeau no such protection.The question -- the elephant in the room -- is Why?"

Maybe it was a matter of favourites. Remember, Gawd liked Abel best.
He was making so much money for the party I think they were afraid to cut him lose. He is personable and they were milking him. It was time to pay the piper. Then, well then the piper couldn't pipe.
 

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"The Harperites went to great lengths to protect Duffy. They offered Patrick Brazeau no such protection.The question -- the elephant in the room -- is Why?"

Maybe it was a matter of favourites. Remember, Gawd liked Abel best.

Charges of Sexual Assault have a way of doing that.