Michael Moore owns stock in HALIBURTON!?!?!

[Colpy]

If the article's failing to prove Moore a liar has become too touchy of an issue to comment on any more maybe you'd care to move on and explain to me how the evidence exposes his alleged hypocracy.

yes?

Let's see: "Does the President of a corporation own it?" No

But he damned well is responsible for the actions of that corporation.

Why is an entity controled by Moore buying such stock? Unless, as I said before, it is simply a ploy to gain entrance to share-holders' meetings, it is exactly the same as Moore holding the stock himself.

 

[Curiosity]

You don't really think a provocateur would be satisfied with anything less, do you?

Agreed - I also believe a provocateur has a public side and a private side.

Provocation isn't any indication one prefers poverty over wealth. It was Moore's initial desire probably before his hatred of G.M. and other corporations: his desire to eat and find a schtick by which he could support himself. Now he "believes the schtick" but doesn't live it!

There are some truly good people who are capable of living what they preach. Moore is not one of them.

 

[Kreskin]

If the government provides a publicly traded company a license to print money it's no surprise that anyone and everyone might want in on the profits. Are these financial benefits solely reserved for the neocon elite?

 

[CDNBear]

Hey Kreskin, great choice of words, "neocon elite". I wonder just how many Cape cod type democrats hold stock in such companies???

Does that make them "neocon elitists" too???

 

[Kreskin]

No. It isn't a crime to trade stocks. I don't know many who intentionally buy unprofitable stocks for the sake of principle. How many non smokers own stock in RJ Reynolds? Probably alot.

 

[CDNBear]

No. It isn't a crime to trade stocks. I don't know many who intentionally buy unprofitable stocks for the sake of principle. How many non smokers own stock in RJ Reynolds? Probably alot.

Then that is hypocritical. If you take a stand, take a stand. Not just standing in the lime light, or on some pedestal. Make your point ethically.

I speak out against the waste and corruption in the Native community, so I will not be part of it. Anyone that crys, pisses and moans about the state of whatever, and then profits from it, is nothing more then a baseless hypocrit.

Does that make sense to you?

 

[Kreskin]

The market is based on fear and greed (similar to the Bush campaign). If one doesn't go into it with the intention of making money they shouldn't be there. No expects investors to emulate Robin Hood.

 

[CDNBear]

The market is based on fear and greed (similar to the Bush campaign). If one doesn't go into it with the intention of making money they shouldn't be there. No expects investors to emulate Robin Hood.

I see you still have that habit of not directly answering a question.

 

[Kreskin]

Does that make sense to you?

No it doesn't. Is that better?

 

[CDNBear]

No it doesn't. Is that better?

So hypocracy is acceptable to you then?

Someone standing their moral or ethical high ground, all the while reeping the rewards of the ones they choose to chast, is acceptable to you?

I only ask, so as to clarify and better understand you.

 

[Logic 7]

i'm just outta bed.

Hell, I think the guy is a liar, a con-man of epic proportion, and a complete poser, as well as being generally "disingenuous".

But, heck, I'm easy to get along with. Proving him a complete hypocrite would keep me happy. I don't need the entire enchilada.

I haven't read the book, and an article proves nothing............I'll have to get the book, but it is interesting Moore hasn't sued, IF the book makes the claim...........

Can you point out where Michael moore claim that he has no investment in haliburton?


Now can you point out where the bush administration said, saddam had wmd in iraq?? many times right?? it turned out to be wrong,and the intelligence excuse was also a lie and wrong Now who is the liar??


How come are you not exposing this?

 

[Kreskin]

So hypocracy is acceptable to you then?

Someone standing their moral or ethical high ground, all the while reeping the rewards of the ones they choose to chast, is acceptable to you?

I only ask, so as to clarify and better understand you.

If he had a controlling interest in the company or hired the company to go fight wars that's another story. If he's trying to make a profit on the stock market I don't have a problem. I also don't expect Democrats who aren't in favor of Bush's welfare for the rich scheme to mail in more tax money than they are required to pay.

Bear, have you sent back your status card yet?

 

[CDNBear]

If he had a controlling interest in the company or hired the company to go fight wars that's another story. If he's trying to make a profit on the stock market I don't have a problem. I also don't expect Democrats who aren't in favor of Bush's welfare for the rich scheme to mail in more tax money than they are required to pay.

Bear, have you sent back your status card yet?

Good response, even better question.

I will answer it, but can you give me some reasons why I should?

How is it my status is hypocritical?

And so on?

I promise, I will answer if you answer those questions and possibly ellaborate on you position a little more.

 

[Kreskin]

Good response, even better question.

I will answer it, but can you give me some reasons why I should?

How is it my status is hypocritical?

And so on?

I promise, I will answer if you answer those questions and possibly ellaborate on you position a little more.

You said I speak out against the waste and corruption in the Native community, so I will not be part of it. Anyone that crys, pisses and moans about the state of whatever, and then profits from it, is nothing more then a baseless hypocrit . I was curious if you were leaving behind all benefits because you have some issues. I'm not saying you're a hypocrite but you seem to be taking the position you are. I'm trying to defend you from yourself Bear.

 

[CDNBear]

You said I speak out against the waste and corruption in the Native community, so I will not be part of it. Anyone that crys, pisses and moans about the state of whatever, and then profits from it, is nothing more then a baseless hypocrit . I was curious if you were leaving behind all benefits because you have some issues. I'm not saying you're a hypocrite but you seem to be taking the position you are. I'm trying to defend you from yourself Bear.

Now now, there is no need to be condescending.

When I say "I will not be part of it", you know full well, I ment I will not be party to the corruption. I point out and have tried to change the way some our leaders have conducted themselves. I refuse to accept the status quo, and want real change in our governance. I'm not sure how that has anything to do with who I am and how that is identified.

What benefits do I have as a Native living off reserve. Not many, not really enough to warrant a review of my moral or ethical position and retention of my status. (I told you I would answer, I'll ask the editor of the Tansi, if I can post an article I wrote, titled "I do not need a plastic clad card to define me" if you would like to see further into my feelings of my status card.) I recieve no special benefits, in fact i pay for a private healthcare, for things over and above those covered by OHIP. I pay taxes on all my purchases. I live off the reservation, I have to.

How exactly is my status tied to how the leaders of some of our communities are corrupt?

I have never stood on the ground that ALL of the Native community is corrupt, only but a small group is. So how is my status and my ethis or morals at odds here?

If the OP is true, then Moore has come right out and condemned Haliburton, no denying that, so to profit from it is the very essence of hypocracy. This is in stark contrast to my position.

If you see my position and my ethics/morals in conflict, could you please ellaborate. I fail to see the connection.

 

[Kreskin]

Bear, it's fun to rattle your chain

 

[CDNBear]

Bear, it's fun to rattle your chain

LOL, your a brat.

I am curious though. Do you see my position and my moral/ethical ideologies at odds?

 

[Kreskin]

LOL, your a brat.

I am curious though. Do you see my position and my moral/ethical ideologies at odds?

I'm just giving you a hard time. I'm glad you stand up for what is right.

 

[BitWhys]

...Unless, as I said before, it is simply a ploy to gain entrance to share-holders' meetings, it is exactly the same as Moore holding the stock himself.

ah yes. The abandonment of the social contract in defense of the faith. Definitely not the first time I've seen it. At least this time around I saw it coming...

One step at a time, if you'd be so kind. First I want to see how far Colpy is willing to stretch the fabric of society to cover Dobson's ass.

thanks for that
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[BitWhys]

Agreed - I also believe a provocateur has a public side and a private side.

Provocation isn't any indication one prefers poverty over wealth. It was Moore's initial desire probably before his hatred of G.M. and other corporations: his desire to eat and find a schtick by which he could support himself. Now he "believes the schtick" but doesn't live it!

There are some truly good people who are capable of living what they preach. Moore is not one of them.

Are you telling me that because of his moral position he has forfeited the right to establish a tax-exempt charity and dispose of the funds as he sees fit?