Mexican vigilantes can now legally fight cartels

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Tecumsehsbones said:
That's not at issue here. What's at issue here is legalising vigilantism.

I got no problem with what the Mexicans are doing. I just pointed out that this move is fraught with potential problems of its own. As long as there are 350 million drug-hungry customers in the U.S. and Canada, there'll be drug movement out of Mexico. Wouldn't be at all surprised of some of these honourable, noble, self-defending vigilantes end up as narcos themselves. Be real surprised if none did.

But, what the heck. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war. Everybody gets to play.
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What exactly is vigilantism??

It is people taking the enforcement of law into their own hands.

I suggest when there is no other enforcement of law, vigilantism is simply self-defense writ large. Who would not be a vigilante when the cartels are leaving 50 bodies a DAY on the streets, and the police are either paid off or actually cooperating with the cartels??

I agree that sometimes things get out of control, but the best defense against tyranny and the terror of war lords is a well armed civilian population willing to act together to protect themselves.
 
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Colpy said:
What exactly is vigilantism??

It is people taking the enforcement of law into their own hands.

I suggest when there is no other enforcement of law, vigilantism is simply self-defense writ large. Who would not be a vigilante when the cartels are leaving 50 bodies a DAY on the streets, and the police are either paid off or actually cooperating with the cartels??

I agree that sometimes things get out of control, but the best defense against tyranny and the terror of war lords is a well armed civilian population willing to act together to protect themselves.
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Way to go, I finally see you logic in action. Putin couldn't have any better authorization to 'move in' because you should see the Ukraine in the same light you see Mexico. The squads you hope the 'citizens' take care of are the cartel that was spawned during the time of the 'death squads' that were a product of the CIA (School of Americas) and the war on drugs, properly labeled the war on drugs was 'the CIA getting a monopoly on all the hard drugs worldwide (for their masters) and by putting them on the 'black markets' profits tripled'.
What can I say Colpy other than, ...... wait for it, ..... thank you for sharing your wisdom.
 
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Colpy said:
What exactly is vigilantism??

It is people taking the enforcement of law into their own hands.

I suggest when there is no other enforcement of law, vigilantism is simply self-defense writ large. Who would not be a vigilante when the cartels are leaving 50 bodies a DAY on the streets, and the police are either paid off or actually cooperating with the cartels??
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Ah, yes. "Anticipatory self-defence." Our excuse for Iraq.

I agree that sometimes things get out of control, but the best defense against tyranny and the terror of war lords is a well armed civilian population willing to act together to protect themselves.
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Things always get out of control.
 
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Colpy said:
What I want is an armed citizenry capable of defending itself against narco warlords that have killed 120,000 people in 7 years.

I do not think you understand....the warlords are what the people are fighting against.

120,000 dead. Plus 27,000 missing. In seven years.
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Guns aren't exactly hard to come by. Armed citizenry without organizing itself wouldn't stand much of a chance against narcos or a government force for that matter. Im surprised this fight doesn't get more coverage. With numbers like these it might as well be considered an all out civil war over the last few years. The Mexican government doesn't have control over large areas yet for some reason people ignore it and pretend its business as usual outside of Mexico. A bit odd.

bill barilko said:
This thread is so CC-a bunch of ignorant monolingual old fools who have never been near the country in question pontificating on 'what's best'.
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Ive been there once. I wouldn't say "whats best" but this is a forum where people discuss and debate issues so I'm throwing in an opinion which doesn't mean much. Its just something to do.

Colpy said:
What exactly is vigilantism??

It is people taking the enforcement of law into their own hands.
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Their version of laws. Lynch mobs are not something Id call "law enforcement." I wouldn't want to be a person caught in the middle on this fight. Do something against the cartels and you might wind up chopped to pieces in a video or hanged from a public building or bridge, do something for them no matter how small you risk getting taken out by a vigilante. Do nothing and you still risk getting killed by both sides.
 
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SLM said:
Maybe they're hoping by legitimizing them they can wield some influence over them? Don't know.

Seems like a scary road to walk down to me.
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This has been going on in Mexico for years..

Mexican vigilante gunmen disarm local POLICE so they can rid town of feared Knights Templar drug cartel | Mail Online

In the state of Michoacan Mexico, there are many citizen police forces taking back villages and towns from the corrupt Police, Military officials and Cartels.

Every day the Cartel were kidnapping people and selling girls, dealing drugs.. The people are now taking their country back.. cudo's for their bravery.
 
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bill barilko said:
This thread is so CC-a bunch of ignorant monolingual old fools who have never been near the country in question pontificating on 'what's best'.
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Yup it's interesting how we can be so opinionated and think we known what's best about society, and project or norms on other cultures and people..

Or in Tecumsehsbones case just belittle the efforts of the people..

Tecumsehsbones said:
Can't see how this could possibly go wrong.
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How many on this forum have actually lived in Mexico or Central America for 1 year or more?? So do you have any concept of what is going on in Mexico..

Cartels, seizing whole towns and asking for ransoms and raping or killing people... the people are tired of the teary and corruption and are taking back the streets..

I figure all the Libtards on this forum would love this idea, it sorta what Obama suggested..

Obama Civilian Security - YouTube

I love the idea that under the new law, H.R. 748 would require all persons in the US 18-25 to perform 'national service'
 
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petros said:
I'll be in Mexico on Wednesday. You coming? We'll go narco hunting.
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Please take a drive through the state of Michoacan, just go see the sights.. very pretty.. take the back roads.. :smile:

What you fail to miss is that parts of Mexico is a war zone...

above picture, the video tape of these individuals being chain sawed to death is on a gore web site.. search if you must..


The people are trying to take back their communities and the risk of their lives... with the creation of Citizen Militias ..

The Cartels will kill their families, and the organizers..


I hope I don't have to delete gore again Boomer. Thanks.
 
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