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[dattaswami]

Veda says that one blessed soul sees God directly

Veda says that one blessed soul sees God directly


Human incarnation is a homogeneous mixture of God (Narayana) and human being (Nara) existing as a single-phase alloy of two metals. The alloy of gold as major component and copper as minor component is taken as gold only. Similarly, human incarnation is taken as God. The live wire is treated as current. God is unimaginable even to intelligence and certainly none can see God with eyes (Na chakshusha….Veda). But Veda says that one blessed soul sees God directly (Kaschitdhirah….). God as the pure component is not seen directly. Same God can be seen through a medium of human being (Manusheemtanum….Gita). Everybody takes Him as a human being only as seen by eyes. But only one blessed soul sees Him as God. Vyasa saw Krishna as God while preaching Gita to Arjuna and so he called Krishna as God (Bhagavan). After hearing Gita through Sanjaya, Dhrutarashtra called Krishna as a cheat, who made Arjuna to fight against his sons. Same Krishna was taken as God by Vyasa and as a cheat by Dhrutarashtra. The aspect as God is Nivrutti and as a co-human being in the society is Pravrutti.

 

[dattaswami]

To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

If the love to God cannot replace the injustice, at least fear to God is needed

Today the need for the majority in the society is to cut the unjust bonds and replace them by justified bonds. The justified bonds have no strength to cut the unjust bonds because the unjust bonds already cut them. Justice is already defeated by injustice and now again the same justice cannot defeat the injustice. To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it. Now Nivrutti, which is the establishment of bond with God is needed in Pravrutti for everybody. If the love to God cannot replace the injustice, at least fear to God is needed. If the student is not studying due to love and respect to the teacher, at least the cane of teacher is required. To establish bond with God or fear to God, the proof for the very basic existence of God is needed.

If you can explain every thing and if there is nothing beyond your understanding, then you are the God. Therefore, unimaginable God with unimaginable power is to be established and that can be done only through unimaginable miracles. In Gita, first, Krishna tried His level best to convince Arjuna through the analysis of Pravrutti itself. But the bond with Bhishma was very strong and no bond of Pravrutti including self can replace it. Hence, God has to introduce Nivrutti, which deals with the establishment of bond with God, so that it can cut the bond of Arjuna with Bhishma. For this purpose, Krishna praised the fruit of Nivrutti, so that a common man can be attracted based on his human psychology of attraction to fruit. Otherwise in pure Nivrutti, there is no fruit except the service to God.

 

[dattaswami]

God incarnates in the human form for the sake of humanity

God incarnates in the human form for the sake of humanity


God incarnates in the human form for the sake of humanity (Manushim tanu maashritam… Gita). To catch God existing in that specific human form is the essence of all the spiritual effort (sadhana). Since the absolute God is unimaginable, the only way to catch such God is catching that specific human form in which the unimaginable God is existing. There is no other alternative way than this. Running after the energetic form of God is also meaningless since such form is irrelevant and such form is also not the actual God. It is as good as the human form of God. Since God pervades all over the specific human form, that specific human being can be treated as God for all practical purposes. Since you receive the shock by touching any spot of the electrified wire, you can treat the entire wire internally as well as externally as the current itself.

Similarly God pervades all over the human form (present human incarnation) internally and externally, the entire human form is treated as God. The word Atman indicates the pervasion of God all over the human form to impress you that you need not hesitate to treat such human form as God in total sense. You can treat not only the soul but also the body of such human form as God. Gopikas treated Krishna in this way since they were sages, who were the scholars of the word Atman.

 

[dattaswami]

Charvaka told everything wrong about God

Charvaka told everything wrong about God

You should collect the Gem from the dustbin also

People think that whatever is in Sanskrit must be divine. It need not be so. Charvaka, the atheist, wrote his concepts in Sanskrit only. The sage Vidyaranya gave a place to Charvaka also in explaining the six principle systems of philosophy. What is the reason for giving such place of dignity to Charvaka? Charvaka told everything wrong about God. But, he is the only person, who told that the soul is only a generated specific work form of inert energy by the oxidation of food. You should collect the Gem from the dustbin also. You did not reject the Gem since it is in the dust bin. All others thought that self is divine.

We shall certainly give the highest value to self in the items of the creation since self is the most subtle and valuable item of creation. It does not mean that self is the Creator itself. It is the greatest item in the creation and hence, self is called as Brahman. The word Brahman need not mean God only. It can mean any greatest item in a particular category. The Gita calls the Veda as Brahman since it is greatest among the scriptures. Brahman also means God because God is greater than the greatest item of the world, which is the soul. The reason is that God controls all the selves (Atmeshwaram… Veda). Hence, the word Brahman is not confined to God only. Hence, there is confusion to mean Brahman as God only. Therefore, a different word ‘Parabrahman’ can be fixed to God, which means that God is greater than Brahman because Brahman stands for every greatest item in a category in the creation. By this, Parabrahman means the greater item than any greatest item of each category of the creation.

Since Atman means self and the self means Brahman, the word Atmajnanam means Brahmajnaanam. Beware that the word Brahman here means only the self and not God.

 

[Kreskin]

Re: God incarnates in the human form for the sake of humanity

Haven't you got enough religious threads going already?

 

[dattaswami]

Worldly bonds Vs bond to God




Worldy bonds weakens the service to God

Unless you are relieved from the worldly bonds, you cannot be relieved from the tensions and also you cannot attach yourself to God completely. If you are attached to the worldly bonds, your attachment to God becomes impossible since the worldly bonds prevail over your bond to God. Generally, we pray God for the welfare of worldly bonds only. It means your bond to God is never stronger than the worldly bonds. Hence, your attachment to God cannot be the strongest bond. Therefore, in the absence of the worldly bonds, your bond to God does not face this problem of competition, in which your bond to God is always likely to fail. Moreover, your worldly bonds always bring problems and tensions.

If something happens to your parents or wife or husband or children, you will be always disturbed. When you are disturbed, you will lose energy and become weak. In such condition, you can never serve God effectively. Therefore, in the presence of worldly bonds, not only your bond to God becomes weak but also your service to God becomes ineffective. Therefore, Hanuman and Shankara avoided these worldly bonds in the beginning itself by not getting married since prevention is always better than cure. Both left their mothers and came out to be involved in the service of God forever. Both of them have perfect fore-sight to avoid the possibility of problem in the beginning itself.





But, God likes you to be present in the worldly bonds and your bond to God should prevail over the other worldly bonds. Victory over the existing opposite force is always appreciable. If the opposite force is absent, it cannot be called as victory. Gopikas were completely immersed in the worldly bonds with their husbands and children. In spite of the strong opposite forces, they could run after Krishna and this is the victory over the existing opposite forces. When Parik**** wanted salvation in seven days, the sage Shuka recited the Bhagavatam and not the Ramayanam. The victory of Hanuman is without opposite forces. But, the victory of Gopikas is in presence of strong opposite forces.

 

[dattaswami]

Unimaginable God is identified from imaginable back ground

Unimaginable God is identified from imaginable back ground

God is unimaginable because God has no spatial dimensions

A devotee asked: “You said that God is beyond creation and at the same time, You say that God is in human body, which is in the creation. Is it not a contradiction?”
Answer:
Unless the contradiction arises and you are unable to solve it through your analysis, you cannot call it as unimaginable action. Unless you recognize the unimaginable action, you cannot accept that God is unimaginable, who is the source of the unimaginable actions. For the establishment of unimaginable actions, there should be pre-established imaginable background so that the violation of such imaginable background can be identified as the unimaginable action. Therefore, God created the imaginable background, which can be understood by all the humanity through imaginable logic. Then, on some required occasions, God violates the imaginable logic so that people fail to analyze such violations through their imaginable logic and finally conclude that God is unimaginable. Now, you can understand the necessity of both the imaginable background and the unimaginable violation of it.
As per the imaginable background, the unimaginable God is beyond this imaginable creation. God is unimaginable because God has no spatial dimensions. This creation is imaginable since it has the imaginable spatial dimensions. Our logic is based on our senses and the sophisticated scientific instruments. Our senses can grasp the visible items. The scientific instruments can grasp the invisible but imaginable items and pass on the information to us regarding such invisible items. You can see a pot through your eyes but, you cannot perceive the invisible cosmic energy that pervades all over the cosmos through your senses. But, the cosmic rays can be detected through sophisticated instruments and you can understand the nature of the cosmic rays through such instruments. A pot is visible and imaginable. A cosmic ray is invisible but imaginable with the help of scientific instruments. Both these examples are parts of the imaginable creation. You can analyze the visible and imaginable items. Science can analyze the invisible and imaginable items. Science is sharper than human beings but, it does not mean that science can analyze the unimaginable items.
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[Said1]

Re: God incarnates in the human form for the sake of humanity

Haven't you got enough religious threads going already?

Like totally.

 

[dattaswami]

God remains unimaginable always

God remains unimaginable always

There is no second unimaginable item in the creation other than God

A devotee asked: “You said that God is beyond creation and at the same time, You say that God is in human body, which is in the creation. Is it not a contradiction?”
Answer:

Coming to the context of the present question, God has created this imaginable creation and remains unimaginable since He is beyond space. The generator of the space cannot have spatial dimensions. Therefore, God remains unimaginable always and cannot be included in the visible or invisible items of the creation, which are always imaginable. The Veda says that those who knew God rejected every item of the creation not to be God. It means God is unimaginable since every item of the creation is imaginable. But, the requirement is that the devotees of God want to see, talk, touch and live with God in this world. To fulfill this requirement, God enters a human being and gets identified with It like the invisible current enters a metallic wire and gets identified with it. In this example, current is invisible but imaginable. We can only bring some invisible item of creation to compare with unimaginable God since there is no second unimaginable item in the creation other than God. Therefore, you should not think that the invisible item is unimaginable.

Even in the ancient logic, all the invisible items were detected as imaginable parts of the creation. But, somehow, the ancient logic could not detect the invisible awareness as imaginable item. Of course, some schools have recognized the awareness also as the imaginable item. Even the Gita mentions the awareness indicated by the word ‘Chetana’, which is included in the imaginable items of the creation. Even the word ‘Jeeva’ is mentioned as the precious part of the creation (Prakruti) only.
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[gerryh]

Re: To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

anywhere and everywhere you have said anything about the NEED to fear God......is flat wrong.

What we NEED to do is recognize our Fathers unconditional love for us. Along with this comes unconditional forgiveness.

 

[gerryh]

Re: God remains unimaginable always

You're spamming the forum..........again.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Re: God remains unimaginable always

Agreed. If god is unimaginable, then what is there about him that we could possibly talk about coherently? You at least I can understand, while disagreeing with you, this guy is just senseless.

 

[EagleSmack]

Re: To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

anywhere and everywhere you have said anything about the NEED to fear God......is flat wrong.

What we NEED to do is recognize our Fathers unconditional love for us. Along with this comes unconditional forgiveness.

The need to fear God was made by insecure men. Insecure men know that fear of God means obedience to them first.

 

[shadowshiv]

Creating numerous threads like you have done today can be constituted as spamming the forums, especially since we had created a thread for you a while back.

Either use that thread or this one, as any others will either get merged or deleted. Also, an Infraction may occur if this keeps up.

 

[petros]

I was just about to post one and it said it was illegal. Oh yeah? Really? Send the cops. I dare ya!

 

[shadowshiv]

I was just about to post one and it said it was illegal. Oh yeah? Really? Send the cops. I dare ya!

I am the cops. LOL!

 

[dattaswami]

Re: To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

anywhere and everywhere you have said anything about the NEED to fear God......is flat wrong.

What we NEED to do is recognize our Fathers unconditional love for us. Along with this comes unconditional forgiveness.

You should develop devotion on God.

The devotion is of two types, conditional and unconditional. The former is bound by area and time. Within the limits of certain area only God is honored. If God crosses those limits God is rejected. Therefore, for the devotee the limits of the area happen to be God, since those limits are ultimate for the devotee. God also follows the same rule and cannot help the devotee beyond those limits. In such case God follows the strict rules of the cycle of deeds (Karma Chakra) and acts according to justice and injustice.

At the maximum, God may do some rearrangements like pre-poning of good fruits with reduced value and post-poning bad fruits with increased interest.

In this case God will not transfer your sins on to Him because the conditional devotion is basically unreal. In the conditional devotion since the boundary of the area is ultimate God, God is no more God. Therefore, the approach to God is false devotion. It is time bound since the devotion comes only in difficult times. The unconditional devotion is not limited by area and time. The devotion is real crossing all the limits of areas and time.

The Lord is the writer of the constitution and He knows whom to punish. Some times you see punishment of innocent person. You think that the injustice is ruling. In the kingdom of God only the justice is the ruler by the grace of God. When the innocent is punished, the punishment was of some bad deed done by him previously and the date of the punishment coincided with the present incident accidentally.

The Lord will react in the same way as we act (Ye Yatha Mam…Gita). If our devotion is one kg of Gold, He will pay us its cost. If our devotion is hundred grams gold, He will pay us one tenth of the cost of the gold. But if our devotion is only bronze, even if it is one kg the cost of gold cannot be paid. Bronze is glittering like gold and it will have its own payment. The time bound devotion is totally unreal. We are using God only in difficulties as we use the fan in summer. In the winter fan is not needed. Of course, we use the fan in winter also for few minutes so that it will not corrode. Similarly, we pray God for a little time in the days of happiness also so that the touch with God is maintained. The intensity of the devotion in the times of happiness is definitely different from that in bad times. The devotion of Prahlada and Gopikas (Great Devotee of God)was having the same intensity in all the times. In such case only God suffers for the sake of devotee. All the suffering of Prahlada was taken by Lord and therefore Prahlada was always smiling during the torture.

Agreed. If god is unimaginable, then what is there about him that we could possibly talk about coherently? You at least I can understand, while disagreeing with you, this guy is just senseless.

The philosophy deals with the discussion of the existence of unimaginable item. When you say that God is unknown, there is a danger of establishment of the non-existence of God. Philosophy says that God is unimaginable and is existing. The Philosophy further says that the unimaginable God enters and pervades a specific known medium, so that you can experience the mediated God. It is just like the unseen electricity entering a seen metallic wire giving you the experience of its existence through the shock.

The philosophy deals with the investigation of the real path to please God etc., Therefore, Philosophy cannot be limited to one single statement, which states that we need not speak about God since God is unimaginable. Some say that the awareness is God and several others say that other imaginable items are God. We have to negate all these proposals by establishing that all these are imaginable items and hence cannot be the unimaginable God. All these aspects are to be dealt in detail and in depth and this makes philosophy a vast subject.

The need to fear God was made by insecure men. Insecure men know that fear of God means obedience to them first.

The present devotees and the present spiritual preachers are concentrating on happiness in this life which is heaven on the earth. They are concentrating on avoiding the misery (disturbance-causing factors) which is the hell on the earth. The justice gives temporary happiness and injustice gives temporary misery. Thus, this cycle is between hell, earth and heaven only (Pravrutti) and the abode of God (Nivrutti) is above this cycle.

The self realization is only a sedative drug which leads to the birth of inert stones in the future, provided one stops there only. The happiness in the present life and avoiding disturbance to protect the peace of the life is only a temporary goal. The soul cannot protect itself in the upper world as the savior from the hell. Only God can protect you after this life and not your soul which is yourself only. The technique of peaceful living on this earth is certainly desirable. But it should be only an intermediate step and should not be the final goal of the life.

The path of self realization gives utmost importance to the intermediate step only but is not stressing on the final goal. The comforts during the train journey are certainly important for the candidate who is attending the interview in the next station. The peaceful journey gives mental freshness which is supposed to help the performance of the candidate in the interview. But the comforts in the journey should not be the final goal. He should concentrate on the material concerned to the subject of interview while traveling in the train. He should allot a little time for looking to the comforts in the journey. But he should not spend all the time of journey in looking for the comforts only. He should not sit leisurely or sleep in the train after getting the comforts.

He should concentrate on the material. Similarly after getting the peace by self realization, one should concentrate on God. You cannot do anything in the upper world to avoid the disturbance from the hell. The upper world is strictly meant for enjoying the results only (Bhoga Loka). The present human life is only chance on this earth (Karma Loka). The effort you put on this earth in this human life gives the peace here and protection in the upper world. The effort is limited only to this earth. If you follow Nivrutti directly without the self realization, it gives peace in this life and also protection in the upper world. Instead, you can follow the self realization and get peace in this life and the subsequent Nivrutti followed here will give the protection in the upper world.

Whatever may be the way, the effort is limited to this life on this earth only and therefore this earth is called as Karma Loka. If you limit to self realization only, the peace in this life is certainly achieved. But what about the fruit of protection in the upper world, since no effort for it can be done in the upper world? The present preachers are drowning you in the upper world.

 

[shadowshiv]

Re: To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

You should develop devotion on God.

You're kidding me, right? Gerry is one of the more religious members here!

 

[dattaswami]

Re: God remains unimaginable always

Agreed. If god is unimaginable, then what is there about him that we could possibly talk about coherently? You at least I can understand, while disagreeing with you, this guy is just senseless.

The absolute God is unimaginable and if you introduce Him in the pure original status, no body can understand anything about Him and even His existence may be doubted. To avoid this danger mediated God can be only introduced and the best medium is cosmic energy. Cosmic energy is not God because it is inert. The soul is not God because it is limited and not omniscient. You have to eliminate every medium by the defects and finally conclude that the absolute God is unimaginable to any soul except Himself as said in Veda(Brahamavit Brahamaiva..). This means that knower of God is God is alone. Gita says that no body other than God knows God (Mamtuveda nakaschana…).
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[petros]

Re: To cut the bond with injustice, most powerful bond with God can alone do it

You're kidding me, right? Gerry is one of the more religious members here!
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I think me a gerryh are the only Catholics on here that still attend Mass now and again.