Memories of Hanoi Jane
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But it provided a long, slow death for the Canadian forces that were exposed to it in Nova Scotia. The government waited for most of them to die before even acknowledging that it was the cause and then to compensate them.
...oopsie.... Forgot my Sarcastic Purple again.
A few years back, I was a pallbearer for an old friend/foreman's funeral. Only reason I was missed by the spray? I was taking care of business in the bush.
A few years back, I was a pallbearer for an old friend/foreman's funeral. Only reason I was missed by the spray? I was taking care of business in the bush.
No one lied to get us to go, first of all you may be forgetting we had a draft and all those called up went somplace to work for Uncle Sam. It is much easier in a country with no draft to say I will defend my country with my life, but only if I agree with what they are doing. An individual does not a country make.
Duty, Honor, Country
Those three hallowed words reverently dictate what you ought to be, what you can be, what you will be," General Douglas MacArthur said in August 1962.
Those are hollow words when spoken by people conscripted into the service of the rich, by the rich for the sole purpose of protecting their riches. There is no honour in killing the innocent. It is not your country when it is controlled by others at your expense.
What is this only the poor fight wars, you can go on believing that lie.
You wouldn't, but if you believe in your country you would give your life for it. Your country should be the only reason you would give your life, they are after all your family.
I never said they were all poor. I'm sure the rich send their own children to protect their riches. Can you point to the percentage of congressmen and senators whose children have been put in the line of fire? Any billionaires? Rich is a relative term. maybe I should have said the filthy rich.
I noticed that you didn't address the issue of honour and the killing of innocents.
I was 15 years of age a Seaman on HMCAS Cornwall when we were intercepting Nazi sub's entering the St Lawrence Seaway trying to sink any shipping in an attempt to block the entire Seaway access to both Canadian and US interior ports. But that was before you were even born. Thanks us for not having to relearn a foreign language.
There was no Seaway until 1959 - and even that was before US active involvement in Vietnam - but there certainly were German subs in the Gulf....
Right, I wouldn't give my life for something I didn't believe in. I asked you why you expect people to.
My dad was overseas for the entire war. Got hit by a mortar shell. So what? All these years later we have Harper. Did you really save us from anything?
What if your family are a den of liars and thieves? Do you die for them? Sorry, but only the brainwashed fall for that one. My country is the land, not a bunch of crooked politicians.
Honor does not mean what you think it does. The honor you are thinking of is left at home when you go to war. Honor in wartime is to the guy standing next to you. All you can do is the best you can to avoid killing or injuring so called innocents. Lately they have been becoming harder to distinguish from the combatants.
Read your Canadian history Lone Wolf. Google up "the Battle of the St Lawrence." We were on the scene of the sinking of two Canadian merchant vessels in 1942. The sub went into the area near the first locks, shut down and sat on the bottom for two days surfacing at night to get fresh air and charge the batteries. It then went underway and came out into the Atlantic and sunk two more vessel in the PEI's harbors. Over 250 Canadian lives were lost within the sovereign boundaries of Canada. My grandfather was the Master of a Canadian flag merchantman for 96 trips out of the St Lawrence to foreign ports from 1932 through 1942. He told his vessel had at least twenty torpedo's fired at it in 1939-43 while in the St Lawrence. The evasive actions is what caused the misses.
Did I say anything countering sub activity in the Gulf of St. Lawrence or in the river? I said there was no Seaway. All but the smallest of ocean-going ships were restricted by the Lachine Canal - the first of any locks upstream.
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So when my community over runs yours, how will you feel?
What interests are those?
The irony of this post is palpable.
She didn't just complain, but I suspect your blind anti Americanism, will prevent you from seeing that.
A free man volunteers.
But freedom none the less.
You keep saying this, but you've failed to tell us the riches that the US was after.
I know no soldier, that believes otherwise.
Yes, but a free man should also be able to look at what he is being "told" and decide that he will not, or can not participate in that action. When talking about the u.s. during the time of the Vietnamese action, there was no freedom for those boys that were sent to their deaths in the jungles of southeast asia.
Only the most callous and heartless would consider freedom bathed in the blood of innocents to be acceptable.