Mars is inhabited.

[eanassir]

There are people on Mars; I think the next journey to Mars will expose many things about life on Mars ...maybe ... God only knows.

NASA has doubts at least of the possibility of life on Mars: they chose this time two suspicious sites: Gale crater and Eberswalde crater.

Later on, 2 days ago, they decided to land their rover in the Gale crater at the base of a high mountain there.

Gale crater :

Gale Crater is shown with the rover's landing area circled in black.

Mars Science Laboratory: Possible MSL Landing Site: Gale Crater

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So this time, I think they may find life; because they will land near a high mountain, and almost they may find water springs and water streams.

The planets are inhabited

The guy's an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about the limitations of digital imaging. It's a jpeg image, which means it's been processed by what's called a "lossy compression" algorithm, not all the data from the original image the spacecraft took is in it. Then he darkens it several times and magnifies it several hundred percent until he starts getting pixelation in some of the colours. The original I downloaded PhotoShop tells me is 200 pixels per inch, I magnify it 300 percent so I'm seeing 25 real pixels per inch, the software's interpolated the rest of them. What he's seeing are artifacts from his image processing software. I saw them in PhotoShop too, but not the same ones he saw, because we used different software.

What if on the contrary, the images that they obtained have artifacts and are changed and processed into things other than real.

What kind of water doesn't freeze at Martian temperatures?

The water that is different from the frozen water on the poles and on the tops of high mountains of Mars.
Such water doesn't freeze.

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The mountain in the middle of the image is about 5 kilometers (3 miles) high, and yet it is not so clear; so how do some people claim that they viewed the surface of Mars foot by foot or they viewed all the details of the Martian surface?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

What if on the contrary, the images that they obtained have artifacts and are changed and processed into things other than real.

Then the guy diddling with that image wouldn't have found anything, would he? You can't have it both ways.

 

[eanassir]

I think the processing of such image will not give such detailed structures; it may give one or two suspected structures but not so extensive designs like a city or something like that.

 

[petros]

The only life they'll find are microbes. No people.

 

[#juan]

quoting eanassir

The water that is different from the frozen water on the poles and on the tops of high mountains of Mars.
Such water doesn't freeze.

First of all, Mars for all intents and purposes, doesn't have any atmosphere. Water is water and most of the ice we see on
Mars is likely carbon dioxide. Most scientists today agree that the white polar caps on Mars are mainly CO2.

Mars is not inhabited by anything but maybe some kind of bacterial life possibly left over from an earier time. It is pretty clear that there
once was liquid water on the red planet but not now. Given the temperatures on Mars, it is pretty easy to dismiss any thoughts of liquid water.

 

[petros]

Mars has an atmosphere.



http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/M/Marsatmos.html

Sub-surface water is highly likely.

Measurements made in 1976 by the Viking landers established the exact composition of the atmosphere on Mars as 95.3% carbon dioxide, 2.7% nitrogen, and 1.6% argon, with smaller amounts of oxygen (0.15%) and water vapor (0.03%). The average surface pressure is only about 7 millibars (less than 1% of the Earth's), though it varies greatly with altitude from about 9 millibars in the deepest basins to about 1 millibar at the top of Olympus Mons, the highest point on Mars. This is still thick enough to support strong winds and enable occasional planet-wide dust storms to obscure the surface for months at a time. On the other hand, the martian atmosphere results in only a weak greenhouse effect that raises the surface temperature by about 5°C over what it would be without any atmosphere at all. Consequently, most of Mars is well below the freezing point of water for most of the year. Even when the daytime temperature at low latitudes does climb significantly above freezing, the atmospheric pressure is so low that water ice turns directly into water vapor without first becoming liquid. Of great significance is the recent detection of trace amounts of methane and possibly also of ammonia, which could indicate the presence of life on Mars, although there are other ways of explaining these gases.

 

[#juan]

If you call .7 percent of Earth's atmopheric pressure an atmosphere I won't disagree. The title of this topic is,
"Mars is inhabited". It isn't inhabited by anything we know.......A few microbes perhaps..:roll:

 

[eanassir]

The only life they'll find are microbes. No people.

I think they will find people and other forms of life on Mars, as is it the condition on the other planets farer than Mars is from the Sun.
The exception is only Mercury and Venus on which the life has been exterminated.

First of all, Mars for all intents and purposes, doesn't have any atmosphere. Water is water and most of the ice we see on
Mars is likely carbon dioxide. Most scientists today agree that the white polar caps on Mars are mainly CO2.

Mars is not inhabited by anything but maybe some kind of bacterial life possibly left over from an earier time. It is pretty clear that there
once was liquid water on the red planet but not now. Given the temperatures on Mars, it is pretty easy to dismiss any thoughts of liquid [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]water.

And the clouds that move in the sky of Mars; also it is CO2?

Mars has an atmosphere.



atmosphere of Mars

Sub-surface water is highly likely.

Measurements made in 1976 by the Viking landers established the exact composition of the atmosphere on Mars as 95.3% carbon dioxide, 2.7% nitrogen, and 1.6% argon, with smaller amounts of oxygen (0.15%) and water vapor (0.03%). The average surface pressure is only about 7 millibars (less than 1% of the Earth's), though it varies greatly with altitude from about 9 millibars in the deepest basins to about 1 millibar at the top of Olympus Mons, the highest point on Mars. This is still thick enough to support strong winds and enable occasional planet-wide dust storms to obscure the surface for months at a time. On the other hand, the martian atmosphere results in only a weak greenhouse effect that raises the surface temperature by about 5°C over what it would be without any atmosphere at all. Consequently, most of Mars is well below the freezing point of water for most of the year. Even when the daytime temperature at low latitudes does climb significantly above freezing, the atmospheric pressure is so low that water ice turns directly into water vapor without first becoming liquid. Of great significance is the recent detection of trace amounts of methane and possibly also of ammonia, which could indicate the presence of life on Mars, although there are other ways of explaining these gases.

There is life: people, animals and plant in addition to microorganisms: all that is prevalent on Mars more than it is on Earth.

If you call .7 percent of Earth's atmopheric pressure an atmosphere I won't disagree. The title of this topic is,
"Mars is inhabited". It isn't inhabited by anything we know.......A few microbes perhaps..:roll:

I keep in remembrance this thread and some of my earlier threads about life on Mars - in this forum - and we shall see how you insist on some changing information.

And I tell you also: the caps of the poles of Mars are frozen water; its atmosphere is larger and higher than the atmosphere of Earth, and Mars is larger than Earth. And Mars has more creatures may be than the Earth has.

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The sound recording

In the Phoenix lander, they neglected the sound recording; because they wanted to preserve the energy for digging in the ground and for taking and sending pictures; anyhow the site of their landing was the wilderness.

So now, I suggest they give importance to this sound recording: it will give a tremendous information about life on Mars, specially the new proposed landing will be in a more temperate region.

The reason is that the sending of images is difficult and not precise, while the sending of sounds to Earth may be easier.

The planets are inhabited

 

[#juan]

I keep in remembrance this thread and some of my earlier threads about life on Mars - in this forum - and we shall see how quoting eanassir
you insist on some changing information.

And I tell you also: the caps of the poles of Mars are frozen water; its atmosphere is larger and higher than the atmosphere of Earth, and Mars is larger than Earth. And Mars has more creatures may be than the Earth has.

eanassir, do you realise just how dopey that last post made you appear? I suggest you enroll in a
good elementary school. Don't argue with the five year olds. They know more than you do....

 

[Dexter Sinister]

I think the processing of such image will not give such detailed structures; it may give one or two suspected structures but not so extensive designs like a city or something like that.

You think incorrectly because you don't understand what's going on. He found image artifacts created by his software that are not really in the image. The core of the jpeg compression algorithm is a mathematical technique called a Fourier transform, and if you exceed its limits, as he does by magnifying the image so many times, you get an effect called ringing. It introduces spurious high frequency components into the data, which in a photograph appear as stripes, lines, and rectangles. That's what he found.

 

[petros]

The microbes did it! Who says microbes can't be smart?

 

[eanassir]

The guy's an ignorant idiot who knows nothing about the limitations of digital imaging. It's a jpeg image, which means it's been processed by what's called a "lossy compression" algorithm, not all the data from the original image the spacecraft took is in it. Then he darkens it several times and magnifies it several hundred percent until he starts getting pixelation in some of the colours. The original I downloaded PhotoShop tells me is 200 pixels per inch, I magnify it 300 percent so I'm seeing 25 real pixels per inch, the software's interpolated the rest of them. What he's seeing are artifacts from his image processing software. I saw them in PhotoShop too, but not the same ones he saw, because we used different software.

One of our friends said: in case we apply the work of this man who explained this video; in case we apply his moderation on other craters and other sites, are we going to obtain the same result, or is this only concerning this crater Heller as he called it?

eanassir, do you realise just how dopey that last post made you appear? I suggest you enroll in a
good elementary school. Don't argue with the five year olds. They know more than you do....

Why not? I am not proud; I don't boast.

Abu abd Allah said: I don't mind listening to a child; it may be that God makes him utter some wisdom; and it may be God make a man understand something and we learn it from him.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

One of our friends said: in case we apply the work of this man who explained this video; in case we apply his moderation on other craters and other sites, are we going to obtain the same result, or is this only concerning this crater Heller as he called it?

Any over-processed digital image will show similar effects. That was a fairly low resolution image to begin with, so it'll happen more easily, you can't do the kind of processing he did on an image like that and expect to get anything useful out of it.

 

[Cliffy]

Any over-processed digital image will show similar effects. That was a fairly low resolution image to begin with, so it'll happen more easily, you can't do the kind of processing he did on an image like that and expect to get anything useful out of it.

Sure he got something useful out of it, he found digital artifacts that support his unsupportable claims from the Quran.

I on the other hand look at human activity and conclude that logically some planet somewhere (possibly Mars) had a problem with genetic defects or criminals and sent them all to Earth to get them our of their hair.

 

[eanassir]

Any over-processed digital image will show similar effects. That was a fairly low resolution image to begin with, so it'll happen more easily, you can't do the kind of processing he did on an image like that and expect to get anything useful out of it.

Could or did you do that on similar images and obtained similar results ?

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yes, there are two images of that crater taken from slightly different angles on the site, I tried it with both of them and got similar results. I can also get processing artifacts like those "Martian structures" on images of my wife's face.

 

[eanassir]

Have you tried this with similar resutls on some other craters or other regions of Mars with the same or similar outcome?

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This is the same picture of Crater Hale from NASA, without any moderation that I might have made: see it yourself, but only give it less light; the man was truthful.

This is the link:
http://mars-truths.yolasite.com/resources/137-021104-0533-6-3d2-01-HaleCrater_H.jpg

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See the picture yourself from the link and do not do anything other than may be decrease the light and see the lower part of the image in particular; all of you see this marvellous image.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Yes, that's one of the images I used. Does it not strike you as significant that all the lines and structures that guy thought he saw are all exactly the same shade of green? How likely is that if these are really roads and buildings and fields? No doubt the man spoke the truth as he saw it, I don't believe he's deliberately lying, but he's wrong, because he knows nothing about digital signal processing and doesn't know what he's seeing. One thing I DO know a lot about is digital signal processing, I've written software to do a lot of it and seen its results, and seen intelligent, educated people--engineers and geophysicists--make the same errors that guy makes, for the same reasons. Technically speaking, he's seeing things that are smaller than the digital sampling interval, which can only mean they're artifacts of the processing, they're not real.

 

[Cliffy]

I had the same thing happen to me the other day after I got back from the hospital. The doctor gave me two powerful drugs. When I got home I was a little dizzy so I was standing in front of my kitchen counter. It is kinda light grey with some slightly off grey dots and random small patterns. Well, I look down and the colour and contrast suddenly bumps up quite a few notches and now I see vivid colours and almost three dimensional patterns lift up off the counter top. So I stare at it and things get even more intense. My mind did exactly what that guy did in a photo editor. Thought I was having an acid flashback but it was probably an allergic reaction to the prescription drugs.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

Look at these images, eanassir: ESA - Mars Express - Crater Hale in Argyre basin

The top one is a tif file, uncompressed, no jpeg artifacts, you can download it and magnify it as much as you want, you'll see no structures. And read the text around the images. You'll see that the original photos have a ground resolution of 40 meters per pixel, which effectively means you can't identify anything smaller than about 80 metres across, but these aren't the originals, their resolution has been reduced for publication on the Internet. Examining that tif image in Photoshop and doing a little arithmetic with the known diameter of the crater suggests the actual resolution is about 100 meters per pixel, so nothing smaller than 200 meters across will be detectable. It's even worse than that, the images are made from two cameras, a monochrome and colour one, but the latter is much slower and lower resolution and the actual colour changes in the image occur on about a 5x5 pixel grid. The perspective views aren't even photographs, they're calculated from a digital terrain model. Bottom line: there's nothing to see there except geology and geography.