Mars is inhabited.

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#juan,
Don't be rigid in following their presumption; because it may turn like the alleged frozen CO2.

So tell me why the ice is only confined to the two poles, and much of it will melt in summer? Why won't all the planets be frozen and ice will cover it all over?

Why is the ice seen on top of some of the mountains of Mars? Why – in case the temperatures are as such so low – why won't all the mountain be covered by ice from the bottom to the top? But in fact the ice is seen only on the tops like on our Earth.

And in case the atmosphere is so thin, why is there the cirrus cloud on some high altitude like on our Earth?


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What is rigid? Mars's atmospheric pressure is one percent of that of Earth. Mars's ice, water, or CO2, does not melt, it sublimates into the thin atmosphere and refreezes onto whatever colder surfaces are found. Mars' thin atmosphere probably reaches saturation fairly quickly and the water vapor will coat cold surfaces.

On Earth, visible clouds are made of water droplets. On Mars they are made of ice crystals.
 

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What is rigid? Mars's atmospheric pressure is one percent of that of Earth. Mars's ice, water, or CO2, does not melt, it sublimates into the thin atmosphere and refreezes onto whatever colder surfaces are found. Mars' thin atmosphere probably reaches saturation fairly quickly and the water vapor will coat cold surfaces.

On Earth, visible clouds are made of water droplets. On Mars they are made of ice crystals.
I am begining to think ea nassir is having one over on us, no one could be this clueless as to argue the subject after being presented with mountains of evidence to the contrary. I think we're being had.
 

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What is rigid? Mars's atmospheric pressure is one percent of that of Earth. Mars's ice, water, or CO2, does not melt, it sublimates into the thin atmosphere and refreezes onto whatever colder surfaces are found. Mars' thin atmosphere probably reaches saturation fairly quickly and the water vapor will coat cold surfaces.


They say so, but this is not realistic.

I say it is like to the Earth, with some variation: the two poles are made of water ice; the atmosphere is not like that thin they claim, neither is the temperature so low in the non-polar regions, nor does the ice sublimate absolutely; there should be some melting, and the planet is not as a whole covered with ice, nor are the mountains overwhelmed with ice all over.

The valleys between the mountains look warmer than the tops, and may include some water springs, streams, rivers and lakes. All this cannot be denied, but only like the denial of America before its discovery and exploration.

An important point is the axis tilt, which is the obliquity of the planet: of Mars it is: 25.19¡, compared with 23.45¡ for Earth.

Glory be to God!

Such axis tilt more than that of Earth by about 1.7 degrees, will expose Mars to more perpendicular sunrays than those reaching Earth, and so will counteract for the farther distance of Mars from Sun compared to the distance of Earth from Sun.


Moreover, the seasons of Mars are longer than those of Earth, as is its day and night duration.
E.g. :smile: we have just eaten Kebab, and praise be to God, and I saw the Kebab seller how he works:
If the fire is very hot, he turns the sheesh quickly, so that the Kebab will not be burnt, but roasted. Then when the fire will be less in heat, he slowly turns the sheesh so that the Kebab will be exposed more to heat and will be roasted. :smile:


On Earth, visible clouds are made of water droplets. On Mars they are made of ice crystals.

On earth the clouds divide into three kinds depending on their altitude and constituents:
The very high -- cirrus: include only ice crystals.
The medium -- alto: include ice crystals + water droplets
The low -- include water droplets only.
 
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Ok,

You say its not realistic? Why?

You say its like Earth, despite the planet being vastly different, why?
 

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I am begining to think ea nassir is having one over on us, no one could be this clueless as to argue the subject after being presented with mountains of evidence to the contrary. I think we're being had.

Thank you Mr. Lester,
Had we a teapot like yours, we would drink some hot tea, which will be very good for the freeze of Mars.:smile:
 

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I've got a question for you eanassir:

What does it mean that Muhammad is wrong about mars?

Or if you can't face that reality yet how about:

What would it mean if Muhammad was wrong about mars?

Satan and his devils have suggested this idea to you, and you uttered it passively without being aware; you think you have such intelligent idea and you are so smart.

Prophet Mohammed - peace be on him - did not mention anything about Mars, neither the word Mars or its Arabic synonym is mentioned in the Quran.

But there are many Quranic revelations implying that there are intelligent beings on the planets, and at least one aya indicates there may be some meeting between the people of Earth and the people of some other planets; Mars may be more than the other planets in this respect; because of its near distance from Earth and the similarity between it and Earth.
 
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#juan

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Mars may be more than the other planets in this respect; because of its near distance from Earth and the similarity between it and Earth.

Similarity?? Mars has a surface gravity of .38 of that of Earth. Mars has an atmosphere of only one percent of Earth's gravity. Mars has a mean temperature of -63 C while Earth has a mean temperature of something around 17C. It sounds to me like the two planets are very different.
 

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Mars is different from our Moon, and different from either of Venus and Mercury.

Moon has no water, no atmosphere and no life thereon.
The journey to the moon

Venus has stopped its axial rotation, and has undergone many serious changes concerning its atmosphere which became some thick smoke and mixture of gases, in addition to the increase in the temperature of the day-side that is continuously facing the Sun, and the extreme coldness and freezing of the other night-side; this has led to the extermination of life upon Venus.
The journey to Venus is dangerous

Mercury had stopped its axial rotation, a long time before Venus, and such serious changes in its atmosphere and the temperature extremity occurred before those on Venus. Then Mercury lost most of its atmosphere, because of the weakness of its gravity; then Mercury had been exposed to the falling of large numbers of comets upon it. And all such circumstances had led to the extermination of life upon Mercury.
Mercury Has Stopped Its Axial Rotation
The world that is burning (or The Burnt World)


But the case is different for Mars: its atmosphere is clear, it includes the cloud drifted by the wind, there is the alternation of the night and day, and seasons, and the polar regions of Mars include water in the form of ice. Moreover, the high mountains include ice on their tops. And not all the planet is covered by ice. And certainly they have made many mistakes and have not yet discovered the life on Mars, which is expected to be known in the near future.
The journey to Mars is successful


To see more details about these serious changes that led to the extermination of life on both Venus and Mercury, which will also take place on our Earth after less than one thousand years; and see why and how will such changes occur on Earth as has they occurred on Venus and as had they occurred on Mercury before, see these links:

How the terrestrial planets will stand still
The plant will burn and rivers will dry up
The sky will be upset
Falling of the comets down upon the earth
The sky will be cleft




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Venus has stopped its axial rotation...

Mercury had stopped its axial rotation...
You understand nothing about this. Both those claims are directly contradicted by observational evidence, and you continue to think the moon too has stopped its axial rotation. I and others have given you multiple references that explain your errors, yet you persist in your delusions because they all come from an interpretation of the Quran produced by a man you've admitted both here and on that silly web site you keep pointing us to was uneducated and ignorant. Al-Hilly is wrong. Do you understand plain English? Al-Hilly is wrong, demonstrably and provably wrong, and if his interpretation of the Quran is correct, so is the Quran. Do you understand that word? WRONG! Al-Hilly is wrong, you are wrong, and the Quran is wrong.

And now you're likely to tell me some demon made me say that. You're wrong about that too. Beats me how you can be the M.D. you claim to be and have such a limited understanding of reality. I hope I never get taken to an ER where you're on duty, I wouldn't trust you to brush my teeth.
 

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You understand nothing about this. Both those claims are directly contradicted by observational evidence, and you continue to think the moon too has stopped its axial rotation. I and others have given you multiple references that explain your errors, yet you persist in your delusions because they all come from an interpretation of the Quran produced by a man you've admitted both here and on that silly web site you keep pointing us to was uneducated and ignorant. Al-Hilly is wrong. Do you understand plain English? Al-Hilly is wrong, demonstrably and provably wrong, and if his interpretation of the Quran is correct, so is the Quran. Do you understand that word? WRONG! Al-Hilly is wrong, you are wrong, and the Quran is wrong.

And now you're likely to tell me some demon made me say that. You're wrong about that too. Beats me how you can be the M.D. you claim to be and have such a limited understanding of reality. I hope I never get taken to an ER where you're on duty, I wouldn't trust you to brush my teeth.


I shall go along with you, because you stick to some theories, and do not try to understand something beyond such claims.

O.K. so now let us say:
The Moon keeps the same face towards the Earth.

Venus and Mercury have some particular slow motion around themselves, apart from the rest of the planets. And this has led to many serious results in the atmosphere and the temperature of these two planets.

The heavenly knowledge of the Quran and the Bible is superior to the MD and the Sc …etc. The Quran encourages the science and the scientific research, but still the Quran is far better than any of that. I tell you about only one reason why is that:

Because the Quran will go with man to the next world or the afterlife, while the other sciences will stay here in this World, and man cannot take advantage of the natural sciences there in the world of souls, there he cannot be a doctor or a scientist, the only thing that benefits him is his belief in God as One without associate or son, in addition to his righteous work and piety; while what he has of the Quran knowledge and blessing will stay with man there in the afterlife.

And certainly there will be, in the afterlife, more fields of knowledge, more than the knowledge of this material World.

About Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, being not graduated at any school, even he did not graduate at any religious school; this had led to his independence of any religious school or sect; he listened to a revelation of the Christ who taught him the true meaning of the Glorious Quran, and to correct many mistakes in the Bible.
The one who instructed him to interpret the Quran was Jesus Christ by the way of inspiration and revelation; i.e. he did no see him, but only he heard his inspiring and revealing; i.e. Jesus spoke to him by revelation and inspiration.

And another angel also revealed to him that.

Also God made him understand many things by inspiration and by practical application of many things; e.g. when he wanted to know some mysterious meaning, there would face him certain experiences to let him understand that practically.


 
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The following is a series of photos of Mars. Knowing what we know about the almost nonexistent atmosphere and the freezing temperatures, would you say there is much chance of Mars being inhabited by anything but some very hardy bacteria?





 

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The following is a series of photos of Mars. Knowing what we know about the almost nonexistent atmosphere and the freezing temperatures, would you say there is much chance of Mars being inhabited by anything but some very hardy bacteria?


These are nice pictures of Mars.


While about the "freezing temperatures there on Mars", as displayed by the Phoenix Mars Lander: it is only at the site of this Phoenix Lander, which is near the polar region, but it certainly is warmer in the equatorial regions.

This is their reply to my question:

"Your question was: Are the temperatures given under the title of : Mars Heather Report: as Max. and Min. on your page of Phoenix Mars Mission - Home; Do these temperatures concern the site of Phoenix Mars Lander site or is it the average of Mars surface temperature, all over and on every point on the surface of Mars?

The answer to your question is: These are only the temperatures measured at our landing site with the weather station. We list a daily max and min because the temperatures vary widely each day depending on the sun's position."
 
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Temperate
Average atmospheric temperature (K) 210
Diurnal temperature at Viking site (K) 184 to 242
Minimum surface temperature (°C) -140
Mean surface temperature (°C) -63
Maximum surface temperature (°C) -20

These figures were taken from a temperate zone not the polar region. Hey maybe the planet is hollow and all the air and warm temperatures are on the inside. You can see that -20 C is the maximum while the minimum is -140 C. Without liquid water and without an atmosphere to speak of and no protection from cosmic radiation I don't know of any animal life that could live there. Perhaps you could enlighten us.
 

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It's not theory that the moon, Venus, and Mercury are rotating on their axes. Those are observable, measurable facts.

Those are not facts: only they are the interpretation of some observations; most of these observations (particularly about Mercury and Venus) are doubtful and imperfect.
 

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Temperate
Average atmospheric temperature (K) 210
Diurnal temperature at Viking site (K) 184 to 242
Minimum surface temperature (°C) -140
Mean surface temperature (°C) -63
Maximum surface temperature (°C) -20

These figures were taken from a temperate zone not the polar region. Hey maybe the planet is hollow and all the air and warm temperatures are on the inside. You can see that -20 C is the maximum while the minimum is -140 C. Without liquid water and without an atmosphere to speak of and no protection from cosmic radiation I don't know of any animal life that could live there. Perhaps you could enlighten us.

They have been confounded and misguided about many things, and they went to some improper sites, and done many things and left the much important and easier ways of finding life there (if there search was indeed for life on Mars.) They left the mountainous areas; because it is easier for them to land on the flat lands; and they did not record any sounds in case they may be present there.

These figures that you give, (in case their measurement is correct), are vulnerable to changes, depending on the season and many other factors.

Moreover, it is not the mean or the average is the deciding points, but aren't there any regions on this vast planet that have some moderate temperature? This is doubtful; while to me, I am certain about the life existing there, while we preserve and keep your words to remind you later on; because every day there may be some new scientific achievement, and no need that you stick to something and try to prove it by any means.

Then why don't you interpret the logical questions, which I gave:
  • If it was true that the atmosphere of Mars is as thin as do they say, then how could it bear the cirrus cloud (with the ice crystals at some high altitude) there on Mars – like that on Earth? And the wind came to drift it as it is on Earth.
  • If it was true that all the Mars surface with this freezing temperatures, why won't all the planet surface be covered with ice, but we see the ice confined to the two polar caps ? And why only the tops of some of the mountains on Mars have ice, why not all the mountain covered with ice; because the temperature is so low as they allege?