Marks & Spencer's faces furious backlash from customers over Muslim policy

Sal

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no pork or alcohol in this line up please... I wouldn't mind that, but don't make me wait for ten minutes and then tell me you won't ring up my purchase,
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Did I say that? No I said if they being of any religion does not serve the public
in a job that serves the public they should lose their job that would include the
Christians, and any other group. Its about legal products people want to buy
not about what you the clerk does or does not want to sell.
It has nothing to do with Christians or non Christians it has to do with religion
period. All religions should be subject to the laws of the State as all other
citizens are no exceptions.
You said "it is becoming apparent that multiculturalism doesn't work." One interpretation could be that it's a call for a return to the pre-multiculturalism state. That's my preferred solution.
 

damngrumpy

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I think you are right in the aspect of multiculturalism from a religious standpoint.
That is insofar as having costoms beleifs and traditions. I see them as a great
thing on celebration days and what people do on their sabath in their own church
is their business as long as its legal. When it comes to everyday society that is
different we live in a secular society and its open for the most part. When the
Muslims and the Jews don't want to ring pork chops through the till they are out
of bounds with the mainstream of society. When Christians don't want to ring
birth control pills through the till they are out of the mainstream. All should be
under one labour law that says if a product is legal in the society and they refuse
to sell it.they should be subject to company discipline.
I think what has happened in our society is that everyone has taken the spirit of
multiculturalism to places it was never intended to go. It was an experiment in
having us live together in harmony. The opposite is true. Take the whole Christmas
issue. The self appointed PC crowd is to blame here not the minorities in society.
I have friends who are Muslim and Sikh S who think Christmas is great they wish us
Merry Christmas. The problem is each group is now competing to have their view
be the only view and that goes from Englishmen to Arabs and it is not working.
The trouble is we opened Pandora's Box.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I think you are right in the aspect of multiculturalism from a religious standpoint.
That is insofar as having costoms beleifs and traditions. I see them as a great
thing on celebration days and what people do on their sabath in their own church
is their business as long as its legal. When it comes to everyday society that is
different we live in a secular society and its open for the most part. When the
Muslims and the Jews don't want to ring pork chops through the till they are out
of bounds with the mainstream of society. When Christians don't want to ring
birth control pills through the till they are out of the mainstream. All should be
under one labour law that says if a product is legal in the society and they refuse
to sell it.they should be subject to company discipline.
I think what has happened in our society is that everyone has taken the spirit of
multiculturalism to places it was never intended to go. It was an experiment in
having us live together in harmony. The opposite is true. Take the whole Christmas
issue. The self appointed PC crowd is to blame here not the minorities in society.
I have friends who are Muslim and Sikh S who think Christmas is great they wish us
Merry Christmas. The problem is each group is now competing to have their view
be the only view and that goes from Englishmen to Arabs and it is not working.
The trouble is we opened Pandora's Box.
Wrong. You just proved it yourself with your statement about your Muslim and Sikh friends. The large majority of each group is perfectly content to do their thing and let others do theirs, politely and cordially. You're reacting to anecdotes from the extreme ends of the bell curve and the bellyaching of the perpetually malcontent 3% of any group. Just because outraged screamers are loud doesn't mean there's a lot of them.
 

taxslave

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You said "it is becoming apparent that multiculturalism doesn't work." One interpretation could be that it's a call for a return to the pre-multiculturalism state. That's my preferred solution.

You don't have the problems with multi-culti that Canada does so you wouldn't understand.
 

taxslave

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Just like you don't understand any problem you don't personally experience?

Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.
I'm actually aware of that, which is weird, me being all non-Canadian and unable to understand and all.
 

karrie

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Multi-culti is different in Canada than the US. You have a melting pot society where everyone is American first and foremost. In Canada we had this hyphenated crap forced on us by Turdo where instead of being a Canadian of say German decent you are called a German-Canadian. This has been taken to such ridiculous extremes that someone that wears a turban is exempt from wearing a hard hat at work while the rest of us would be fired for that.



You mean like African-American, Irish-American, etc? While we preach two different systems, the end result really doesn't look any different in Canada and the US from what I see.
 

taxslave

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You mean like African-American, Irish-American, etc? While we preach two different systems, the end result really doesn't look any different in Canada and the US from what I see.

The US didn't wind up having two official languages rammed down their throats. As far as I know in the US no one gets exempted from safety rules based on religion either.
 

karrie

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The US didn't wind up having two official languages rammed down their throats. As far as I know in the US no one gets exempted from safety rules based on religion either.



So it's a bigger nanny state, what multicultural difference does that make?


As for two languages, bilingualism has become a huge part of Canada's brand. I know most people view it from the 'us v QUebec' viewpoint, but, having grown up in a francophone family that isn't Quebecois, married into a francophone family that isn't Quebecois, and raising bilingual kids who are not Quebecois, I can tell you they don't view themselves as any less Canadian than you view yourself.
 

petros

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R U Kidding? It seems like everyone makes a stink about Jews? Where have you been?

JMO

It depends. Some complain about Israel, some the banker angle, some the Zionists, some the Marxists but few take note of the some of the thing we hold dear that were sacrificed in being politically correct.