Marines and Honour
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How true. It wasn't surprising given he's turned to fabricating claims about what business owners in Northern Ontario have allegedly told him about First Nations people. Despite being completely contradictory to their own sworn testimony to two government commissions.
That's the proverbial hitting the nail on the head.
Although I do feel sorry for him, and anyone that is forced to be in his presence, I like dark humour, so I find a lot of humour in his pathetic flailing.
Stop it, you're starting to sound like EAO again.
I agree, there is no honour in what they did. It was wrong. But I can understand why. As a mere human being, I can honestly say, I may have done so myself, if placed in that position. The furor, is still puzzling. That doesn't mean I support what they did.
Yeah, that's pretty much the case. I'd love to say that I would never do something repellant like that, but that's just optimism bias.
Ugly situations like this are why I just don't support wars in general. If you think about it long enough, you know that all sorts of things like this are going to happen, and worse. Corpse desecration, killing innocents, rape, displaced individuals, kidnappings, destruction of property, torture. I don't have a very involved imagination either.
Rodney King Beating Video - YouTube
This is a thumbnail sketch of an incident. What you see are police beating a man when he is down for the count. What you don't see is the high speed pursuit which led them to this place. You don't see the fact that he was tazered twice and still would not get down.
You don't see the adrenaline flowing through the officers veins. You don't see the drugs pulsing through the downed man's veins.
You only see what is on the video.
I don't condone beating a man when he is down nor do I condone desecrating a dead body (even that of an enemy).
What these soldiers did was a mistake, but far be it for anyone here to sit in judgment without first considering what led to the moment where men would unzip their flies and piss on the corpse of men they had just killed.
This is a thumbnail sketch of an incident. What you see are police beating a man when he is down for the count. What you don't see is the high speed pursuit which led them to this place. You don't see the fact that he was tazered twice and still would not get down.
You don't see the adrenaline flowing through the officers veins. You don't see the drugs pulsing through the downed man's veins.
You only see what is on the video.
I don't condone beating a man when he is down nor do I condone desecrating a dead body (even that of an enemy).
What these soldiers did was a mistake, but far be it for anyone here to sit in judgment without first considering what led to the moment where men would unzip their flies and piss on the corpse of men they had just killed.
I suspect that those folks that maintain prejudicial views congregate with others that hold similar beliefs.. It evolves into a self-fulfilling prophecy when an individual crafts a discussion to move in only one direction, the results are essentially pre-determined.
Well put.
In the end, although I do not offer overwhelming support for their actions, I can certainly appreciate that we will never truly know what kind of emotions/motivation were running through the minds of these Marines... Let's face facts, not many folks are cut-out to do the job, in those circumstances, that these Marines were asked to do.. That in itself does not excuse them from their actions, but it goes a helluva long way in my belief that they should be offered some latitude on this.
The version of "With God on Our Side"-posted earlier on this thread, cannot match Joan Baez's (1966). The werse that is most telling is:
"If Gawd's on our side
He'll stop the next war."
Joan Baez - With God on Our Side (Live 1966) - YouTube
"If Gawd's on our side
He'll stop the next war."
Joan Baez - With God on Our Side (Live 1966) - YouTube
I do not agree with the things the taliban did in their regime. Most of it is disgusting, brual, and goes against my idea of freedom.
Please do show some documentation of where the govt of Afghanistan asked NATO or the UN or the US or anyone else to send military forces in to help a failing nation. Considering the govt was the taliban I doubt you can provide anything legitimate and are just repeating the propaganda you have been spoon-fed by GW Bush and his war-hawk friends.
Make no mistake, this war was about controling the ME and central Asia and the oil and resources available. It is a simple matter of money and profitability. There is no honor on either side and that is a fact you should face up to one day.
I believe the American Government asked the Taliban to hand over Osama Bin Laden and they said he rode away on a white horse.
Funny, I thought it was about what happened on 9/11.
It wasn't. It was just what we were told, but it was utter BS, just like every other BS reason we have been spoon fed to justify killing innocent civilians. 911 was very convenient, way too convenient, when you consider invasion plans were in the works long before 911.
BBC News | SOUTH ASIA | US 'planned attack on Taleban'
I doubt that anybody with intimate knowledge of the plan will make them public. But hell, the US had a plan to invade Canada and I'm sure they probably still do. What else are soldiers suppose to do when they aren't fighting wars if they aren't planning for wars?
This news snippet has nothing to do with what Cliffy posted. Maybe you should run along and look for some more camo pictures or get planning your next racial troll.
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LOL...I'm the one sounding like eao? Think about this now. eao rationalizes Palistinian terrorist acts by stating things similar to the way you and others on this thread are doing with this act by u.s. marines. "It may not be right but I understand why they did it". "What the Palistinians do, AQ did/does may not be right, or is definitely wrong, BUT, because of the things the west/Israel has done in the past/present I understand why they do/did it."
What they did was wrong, but as I mentioned earlier you can understand what drives Soldiers to do this.
Did they execute - torture live prisoners - No.
What they did was unprofessional. But I along with the Taliban are not making an issue of it.
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I always thought this would'a made a great basis for a novel
based on an alternate dimension or multiple dimentions, etc...
where this actually took place. If someone here writes it, I'll buy
a copy.
And how do you know that? Who knows what goes on over there unless it is filmed? They have been clips shown to suggest that torture and executions are performed by NATO troupes. Why not in this case? If they did, do you think the military brass would be advertising it?
I'm not sure what your criteria is for which evidence is and which is not acceptable, but it does seem pointless to even try to reason with you as long as you have this attitude - :roll:.
Yes.
I'm not blaming anyone else for the actions of these Marines. They alone own this.
Oh, and btw, I understand why some Palestinians resent Israel enough to commit murder/terrorism. Like I understand why some Natives join warrior societies. Like I understand why some Palestinians and some Natives strive for change via peaceful protest.
Do you know which one I throw my support behind?
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