Mall roof collapse injures at least 4 in N. Ontario

TenPenny

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Oh don't misunderstand, I'm not fluffing off what was done by any means. Just that when deaths are involved, if an engineer did sign a report stating something was safe and it wasn't, they have huge liability. Not to mention the architect of the design if that's found to have flaws.


There's no reason to believe that the engineers said something was safe when it wasn't. Unless you read the report, and understand it.

I haven't seen the report, so I can't say.
 

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There's no reason to believe that the engineers said something was safe when it wasn't. Unless you read the report, and understand it.

I haven't seen the report, so I can't say.

Yeah, I doubt if the engineers are responsible for making sure routine maintenance is carried out. If I was an engineer, I'd make sure right beside my signature was an expiry date.
 

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Is anyone else noting a sudden interest in roof repairs that seemed evidently necessary a couple years ago? Locally one Building Supply store has decided that all the pails obstruct customer flow through the store aisles. :)
 

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Is anyone else noting a sudden interest in roof repairs that seemed evidently necessary a couple years ago? Locally one Building Supply store has decided that all the pails obstruct customer flow through the store aisles. :)
Roof repairs were an ongoing thing. I suspect the problem had more to do with structure than just the roof - based on experiencing some rides on the bouncing escalator and on photos of rusted columns, shifting brickwork and cracked penthouse flooring. That place has been doomed for years
 

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After the fact, the problem was finally attributed to the wet Vancouver weather and with the roofs built flush with the top of the walls, allowed for water to leak down through the walls especially during periods of high winds, since then condos are now build with overhangs on the roofs. In California, where the weather is dry the same condos worked out all right. But the lesson was learned $millions too late.



One problem in legalese is that old term "caviat emptor".

Apparently the same basic condo designs are used across N America. The only other place I read about having similar problems is around Virginia where they have coincidently similar weather as the wet coast.
 

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Rescue team veterans from Haiti and September 11 turned back from helping in Elliot Lake mall disaster

As police and firefighters from across Ontario streamed into the site of the Elliot Lake mall collapse this week, arguably one of the most hardened rescue groups on the scene — veterans of 9/11, the Haiti Earthquake and the Costa Concordia sinking — were never even allowed past the police tape.

“We’ve been on standby since arriving, and if you’re a results-oriented person, the worst thing in the world is to be on standby,” John Green, chief of Special Operations for Ottawa-based International Rescue, told the Post Wednesday.

The group, an Ottawa-based rescue non-profit, was summoned to Elliot Lake by a call from a private citizen. The roof on the Algo Centre Mall caved in at 2:15 p.m. on Saturday; by 2:55 p.m., an Elliot Lake resident (“He’d heard about what we’d done in Haiti,” Mr. Green said) got the organization on the phone.

About 40 hours later, Mr. Green — along with six team members — pulled into the small Northern Ontario town in a specially outfitted fire truck, hauling a trailer packed with lifts, supports, concrete-cutting chainsaws, liquid nitrogen, concrete-cracking explosives and thermite charges.

Of course, by then, Ontario’s Ministry of Labour had barred access to the unstable structure, and the Toronto-based Heavy Urban Search and Rescue team had just informed a crowd of locals that it had called off rescue efforts.

“At 11 p.m. [Monday], they just came out and said, ‘go home, we don’t want you on scene,’ which was a little bit of a kick,” Mr. Green said. “We’ve been to over 30 of these and we’ve never been told to go home.


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Rescue team veterans from Haiti and September 11 turned back from helping in Elliot Lake mall disaster | News | National Post
 

Ron in Regina

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I find it so strange as I hear more and more about this goat rodeo.

I live out on the prairies, with many agricultural and industrial dealerships
close to my home. At work we rent mobile cranes often, and have wheel
loaders and a track-hoe and a bulldozer in the yard much of the time that
we can just go fire up when needed.

Hell, out here, most Farmers (or their neighbours) have the equipment
sitting in their quansets to drag an escalator out of a hole....and down
in the patch where I work, heavy equipment sits all over the place
whe not in use, and most people (many in most crowds) know how
to use them. Different worlds I guess.
 

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$10M settlement reached for victims of Elliot Lake mall collapse
Rooftop parking lot of Algo Centre Mall caved in on June 23, 2012, killing two women and injuring 19 others

Author of the article:Spiro Papuckoski
Published Apr 11, 2026 • Last updated 13 hours ago • 2 minute read

The Algo Centre Mall roof collapsed in Elliot Lake, Ont., June 23, 2012.
The Algo Centre Mall roof collapsed in Elliot Lake, Ont., June 23, 2012. Photo by Files /Postmedia Network
A $10-million lawsuit settlement will be approved by an Ontario judge nearly 14 years after the roof of an Elliot Lake mall collapsed killing two women and injuring 19 others.


On Friday, Justice Benjamin Glustien listened to a presentation by all parties and said he is moving forward with the agreement.


“I will be approving the settlement,” the judge said during the hearing, according to BayToday.ca. “No matter what we do here, it’s never going to change the day that happened. But at least it can do something towards fairness and towards closure for people who were involved.”



Roof leaking for years before collapse
The rooftop parking lot of the Algo Centre Mall collapsed on June 23, 2012, killing Lucie Aylwin, 37, and Delores Perizzolo, 74. The roof had been leaking into the shopping centre for years.

“We know that the roof leaked from the day it was built and yet nobody fixed it,” a lawyer representing the victim’s families told the Sudbury Star in 2013.

A canine unit from Heavy Urban Search and Rescue at the scene of the Algo Centre Mall in Elliot Lake on Tuesday, June 26, 2012.
A canine unit from Heavy Urban Search and Rescue at the scene of the Algo Centre Mall in Elliot Lake on Tuesday, June 26, 2012. Photo by John Lappa / Files /Postmedia Network
In early March, the families of Aylwin and Perizzolo as well as other victims who were seeking damages were informed that a proposed settlement had been reached, contingent on a judge’s approval.


“The settlement agreement was reached in the context of multi-year settlement mediation sessions (that were conducted first by a retired judge from the Court of Appeal and more recently by the former Chief Justice of the Court of Appeal), and after various court hearings and decisions, the exchange of relevant documents by the parties, the plaintiffs completed any examinations for discovery of the Defendants, and the scheduling of a summary judgment motion for last fall,” Toronto law firm Roy O’Connor LLP said in the update.

The civil case, known as Quinte vs Eastwood Mall et al, was launched shortly after the disaster and was certified two years later. The plaintiffs had initially asked for $30 million in damages.

Damages spread out among defendants
The City of Elliot Lake is on the hook for $3.5 million while Algoma Central Properties, a subsidiary of Algoma Central Corporation, which built the mall in 1979, will pay $2 million.

In addition, Eastwood Mall Inc. and its president Bob Nazarian, which owned the mall in 2012, is responsible for $1.745 million. The company that owned the mall between 1997 and 2005, Retirement Living and its for-profit arm NorDev, will each pay $1 million.

The engineering firm that inspected the mall two months before the roof collapsed will pay $730,000 while the province of Ontario will write a cheque for $400,000.

Also, the company that provided the hollow core slabs for the rooftop parking deck will pay $225,000 and the original architect on the project, James Keywan, is responsible for $175,000.

None of the defendants have admitted liability under the settlement’s terms.

The mall was closed following the collapse and later demolished.
 
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