Mad Cow D. -2nd case found

[I think not]

I didn't miss the point. I have read they are integrated, such being the case in my opinion they should be banned.

After the US dicsovered mad cow in their cattle more than two dozen countires have banned US beef imports.

You snooze you lose. There is no point whining about it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Mad Cow D. -2nd case

It was the ranchers that fought against it. It's actually killing the US packing industry now because they don't have enough cattle to slaughter.

Oddly enough, it was the packing industry...which is closely tied with the feed industry...that ceated the problem in the first place by insisting feeding cattle back to cattle. I have a lot of trouble feeling sorry for them.

 

[I think not]

I don't feel sorry for anybody. You don't protect your cattle, you're going to pay the price for it.

The USG is lobbying Japan to re-open US beef imports. Why should they? Until the ranchers get their shit together I don't expect any country to buy US beef. Hence we shouldn't be importing Canadian beef either.

No countries buy Canadian beef either as far as I am aware. Seems pretty fair to me.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Oddly enough, it was the packing industry...which is closely tied with the feed industry...that ceated the problem in the first place by insisting feeding cattle back to cattle. I have a lot of trouble feeling sorry for them

indeed. ( ergo...the "sarcasm")

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ITN: re: "you snooze ,you lose" catch phrase is a tad casual /indifferent. Many ranchers, farmers (in CA for eg) have gone bankrupt ......or close to it. They needed financial aid just to survive.

 

[I think not]

ITN: re: "you snooze ,you lose" catch phrase is a tad casual /indifferent. Many ranchers, farmers (in CA for eg) have gone bankrupt ......or close to it. They needed financial aid just to survive.

Look, the United States and Canadian beef processing operations that once seemed a model of symbiotic cross-border cooperation is not going to get back on track until there are no indications of mad cow disease.

Aside from that, it's my understanding that imports have been allowed again for cattle I believe under 30 months old, I could be wrong on the age however.

This has an impact on everyone in the industry. This isn't about Canada and the US, despite everyone trying to make it so. This is about world markets. Nobody else is buying Canadian beef, period. And two dozen countries aren't buying US beef, period.

Would you risk buying food and selling it to your customers? I think not.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: Mad Cow D. -2nd case

Our talks with Japan have actually gone better than yours because there is a movement here to test every cow. That is basically the bottom line when it comes to BSE. We've even had interest from France...the most protectionist country in the EU when it comes to ag products.

You are still missing the point though, ITN. There is no scientific basis for the US not accepting Canadian cattle. Our rules are the same as yours...actually a little tighter now. Our herds are fully integrated. If we have BSE, so do you. Because you have a higher rate of feed-intense farming (feedlots), there is actually more of chance (just marginally) that you have more BSE than we do. If science is a factor, and both governments say it is the main factor, then you have no reason to ban Canadian beef.

 

[I think not]

Until other countries allow your beef to be imported, I see no reason why you pick on the US. Yeah we are the largest importer of your beef, well no shit sherlock, what else is new.

We're your number one exporter period, almost across the board. Find markets like you mentioned above and sell somewhere else.

And if I am not mistaken, although I could be wrong, I would have to look it up. This dispute has been brought up by Canada at the WTO and lost, on three separate occassions, or was it NAFTA, I forget. And still you talk about it.

Now if you're talking softwood lumber, well there I give you credit because its obvious GWB is f*cking around.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Seem to recall a flash in the news .......that the US had more cattle with the disease.......but were covering it up.

Now, whether this was true or not...... is debatable.....as it was mentioned a few times, documented on line for a while....and then subsided from the media completely.

Tougher regulations are critical. Seems that many lessons could have been learned from the British episode of this. and it could have been prevented.

Maybe N.America fell for the " it would not happen HERE" false thinking.

either way, it is a big concern from many aspects.

to Rev: is every animal being tested now in Ca? If need be ......to prevent this.....then one should hope so.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Yeah we are the largest importer of your beef, well no shit sherlock, what else is new.

We're your number one exporter period, almost across the board. Find markets like you mentioned above and sell somewhere else.

:roll: :roll:

 

[Cosmo]

RE: Mad Cow D. -2nd case

Well, makes me reconsider being vegetarian again, that's for sure!

 

[Reverend Blair]

to Rev: is every animal being tested now in Ca? If need be ......to prevent this.....then one should hope so.

No. There is continued political pressure from US corporations and the US the government for us not to test every animal slaughtered. They prefer to only test older cattle. The farmers and small packers that are popping up now are putting the pressure on the other way though. The cost would be about $20.00/animal when a system was set up for testing every animal though...things are cheaper when do them on a large scale...so there is no real reason not to.

Until other countries allow your beef to be imported, I see no reason why you pick on the US. Yeah we are the largest importer of your beef, well no shit sherlock, what else is new.

You are ignoring the fact that our lack of packing plants and our dependence on the US market developed largely because of pressure from your country under the FTA. You wanted it this way, we gave you what you wanted, and now you are screwing us for no reason.

And if I am not mistaken, although I could be wrong, I would have to look it up. This dispute has been brought up by Canada at the WTO and lost, on three separate occassions, or was it NAFTA, I forget. And still you talk about it.

Actually we won because your claims are not based on science. That is why you agreed to open the border. Then the R-CALF boys bought that Montana judge and all that went out the window.

Your claims that it may damage trade are also not solid. When you go to Japan and try to make your case that you are doing enough testing and that your beef is safe according to science, they just say, "Then why aren't you accepting Canadian beef? They do even more than you do." You have undermined your own credibility in the international trade community.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

No. There is continued political pressure from US corporations and the US the government for us not to test every animal slaughtered.

so why the heck , is CA "bowing" to the US political pressure???
Ca should just do what is right......make an independant decision........etc. Ca might have to wake up and not allow itself to be jerked around so much.....

CA should continue to work with the rest of the international community , and quietly establish constructive /mutually beneficial alliances with others.......outside of the US. Would take time......a lot of diplomacy and a lot of bashing from the US....... but the dynamic must change .

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Actually we won because your claims are not based on science. That is why you agreed to open the border. Then the R-CALF boys bought that Montana judge and all that went out the window

kinda too bad that science is not the primary basis for these decisions. Politics and money is.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: Mad Cow D. -2nd case

Well, makes me reconsider being vegetarian again, that's for sure!

nah.........turkey, chicken and pork are still safe :wink:

 

[Reverend Blair]

so why the heck , is CA "bowing" to the US political pressure???

Our politicans are idiots. There are also strong ties between Cargill and the Conservative Party, so they don't criticise the Liberals the way they should on this. The Liberals have ties to other US ag businesses that operate in Canada. Both the Liberals and Conservatives have ties to the feed industry. The Alberta government is also protecting US packers that operate in the province because it keeps the work in Alberta instead of other provinces.

Both the Liberals and Conservatives, as well as the government of Alberta, will look extremely bad if they admit that they were wrong and the decisions they've been making for the last quarter century have endangered Canadians' health and destroyed an industry.

The biggest reason though? I guess Mr. Mom would likely call it the Bilderberg Factor. Both the Martinites and the Harperites are marching towards deep integration with the US. They like to make the occasional noise about moving closer to Europe or seeking other markets, but if they aren't pushed they refue to look any further than the US.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

They like to make the occasional noise about moving closer to Europe or seeking other markets, but if they aren't pushed they refue to look any further than the US.

as in the "line of least resistance"??


(agree, the politicians are idiots. :?


<the webs "we" weave.>

 

[Reverend Blair]

as in the "line of least resistance"??

More like the line of most greed. Our two corporatist parties are controlled by people with major connections to US corporations.

 

[no1important]

RE: Mad Cow D. -2nd case

I see Taiwan banned US imports of beef within hours of the news.

 

[Just the Facts]

I don't feel sorry for anybody. You don't protect your cattle, you're going to pay the price for it.

The USG is lobbying Japan to re-open US beef imports. Why should they? Until the ranchers get their shit together I don't expect any country to buy US beef. Hence we shouldn't be importing Canadian beef either.

No countries buy Canadian beef either as far as I am aware. Seems pretty fair to me.

I don't blame the U.S. for banning beef imports initially, they did what they had to do to protect their interests. What burns me is that the Canadian government didn't do what it had to do to protect our interests...i.e. ban beef imports to protect our beef farmers. To this day our market is wide open to U.S. beef, while only a trickle (young cattle and certain cuts) are allowed the other way.

I heard an American economist say it best on the news a while ago, in response to the U.S. Cattle lobby blocking the re-opening of the border..."U.S. cattlemen calling Canadian beef unsafe, is like calling your twin ugly"

cracked me up. 8)

 

[jimmoyer]

Great observations, "I think not" and "Just the Facts" !!!

 

[Jo Canadian]