Love Of Our Neighbour

[L Gilbert]

yes well u know how i feel about the bible i suspect. I think much of the mistreatment of criminal cases comes from people's beleif that everything can be made to be right again. It cant. not usually. all that can happen is the least worst thing.

Also the mistaken belief that a lot of these people have any sort of conscience or even acceptance of guilt.

 

[talloola]

Talloola

It is your own choice which you must make...

I prefer not to have a "murderer" turn me into one in the name of revenge.

Killing a killer does nothing to bring back the innocent dead.

It does not even deter others from their unspeakable acts.

I would never feel like a murdurer, even if I personally did the "deed".

I would not walk around with hate in my heart, I would feel that justice was done
for "Jessica", end of story for me, till the next innocent child is killed, then, get him
out of the world, as he doesn't deserve to live.
Your other points are correct, but the recent murdurer would be gone, and no
chance of him ever doing such a horrible, sickening crime ever again, and I would like him
to sit in prison for a couple of years awaiting his "death", hence ' suffer", and be afraid.
They do seem to get out of prison after a number of years, and are never cured, they are hateful
people.

In my mind, it is not revenge. To me, revenge is getting even with someone, who did
something to you . We are talking of something so sickening that the
whole world should rise up and take action against the spread of this epidemic. There are
thousands of "these" people in north america, it is very scary, and now, with the internet, they
have a free road to travel, and spread their poison, and feed off of each other.

 

[talloola]

talloola I'll light a candle for the family tonight. Im afraid thats all we can do......send comfort.

That's good, I am thinking of her all day, I want to focus on her today, I think of how frightened she
would have been, throughout the ordeal, and so much attention is on the monster her killed her, the victim seems to be pushed into the background. This was her life, now she is gone. Rest in peace, Jessica.

 

[sanctus]

If there was a poll taken re: should sanctus stay or go, the stays would out vote the goes by many.
I would hope that our support would mean something to him .
I'm sure the people who "lash" out, (I was guilty of that earlier on), do not feel good about themselves
as they reread their posts which are "cruel", perhaps they can learn to take a little time before they
start swinging, and tone it down a little.

Sanctus is very respected on this board.

Thank you, all of you. I guess I better not go /// Besides, as csanopal wrote in aother thread, which made me burst out laughing, was that my "miserable arse is needed around these parts"..........so much for the ideology of
Catholics respecting the priest

You're a silly, likeable lot, so I guess this must be the place for me.

 

[sanctus]

That's good, I am thinking of her all day, I want to focus on her today, I think of how frightened she
would have been, throughout the ordeal, and so much attention is on the monster her killed her, the victim seems to be pushed into the background. This was her life, now she is gone. Rest in peace, Jessica.

Amen...But you know, anger only creates anger, and drives a wedge into the heart. for your own sake, continue the good wishes, and do so especially for Jessica's family.

 

[sanctus]

Well, some of us would miss you.
Um, there's always the option of putting people in your ignore list if you think they are being obnoxious.

As if I'd leave you to rule the roost without me to irk you!

 

[selfactivated]

That's good, I am thinking of her all day, I want to focus on her today, I think of how frightened she
would have been, throughout the ordeal, and so much attention is on the monster her killed her, the victim seems to be pushed into the background. This was her life, now she is gone. Rest in peace, Jessica.

Done and Done
Blessed Be

 

[selfactivated]

Padre? Do you feel that warm feeling in your tummy?

 

[cortex]

Love Thy Neighbour--

Just dont get caught.

 

[talloola]

Amen...But you know, anger only creates anger, and drives a wedge into the heart. for your own sake, continue the good wishes, and do so especially for Jessica's family.

I have had a chance "here" to vent my feelings, and I wouldn't reverse any of my opinions "previous".
But, now, I will back away, and settle down, and be myself again, and thank you Sanctus,I will work
on the anger, but you know, it has it's place in one's life, it is a valuable emotion, when used with
discipline, and doesn't show itself too often, or, for no-good reason.

 

[selfactivated]

Love Thy Neighbour--

Just dont get caught.

Watch it you, your going to get me in trouble LOL

 

[L Gilbert]

Thank you, all of you. I guess I better not go /// Besides, as csanopal wrote in aother thread, which made me burst out laughing, was that my "miserable arse is needed around these parts"..........so much for the ideology of
Catholics respecting the priest

You're a silly, likeable lot, so I guess this must be the place for me.

Cheers for the preacher.
I disagree with the miserable bit, though. With a few exceptions, you seem content enough to swap chuckles.

 

[L Gilbert]

As if I'd leave you to rule the roost without me to irk you!

Well, I live you, too, irritant.

 

[L Gilbert]

Mostly.

 

[TenPenny]

Be careful when you refer to Sanctus' arse as not being miserable. It might lead to misunderstandings, you know.

 

[L Gilbert]

Good point. But, I've never seen his arse. I'm just kinda takin it for granted that it's about like the rest of him: only miserable once in a while.

 

[TenPenny]

Good point. But, I've never seen his arse. I'm just kinda takin it for granted that it's about like the rest of him: only miserable once in a while.

LOL

No thanks, I don't want his arse even once in a while!!!

 

[snfu73]

Speaking of anger, I left this thread the other day feeling pretty...um...angry...well...miffed I guess. I was frustrated by what I had read, and felt a whole pile of feelings which at the time weren't really being expressed in an overly productive way. I don't back down from the statements I made...but, regardless, I probably went too far in some of my rhetoric. Anyway, I thought about things all night and the next day and came home and decided to kind of capsulate what I was thinking and what I was feeling, and tried to put in a post...I started it's own thread...a thread that has gotten very off track...but, hey, that's eh okay. But I thought I would repost what I put in that thread, in hopes it will explain part of what I was trying to express but wasn't coming quite right, to explain why I was frustrated, why I was angry, why I was so challenging and forceful. In writing it, I learnt some things, reflected on some things, came to some realizations myself, came to understand that I can be as guilty of the things I wrote as ANY one. Anyway....here it is....

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Loving thy neighbour. It sounds so easy. But, it’s really quite complicated. I mean, first off, we have to look at what love is, exactly. Each person has their own definition, I believe. But, I think there are some universals in that definition. For example, can you love someone that you have pity on. Can you love someone that you also call a sinner. Can you say that someone will go to hell if they don’t conform to the ideas that you interpret and still love them. Can exude a sense of superiority towards someone…and still love them. Can you really love someone when you believe that if they act like who they are, they are committing huge sins, and are taking part in evil practices? Can you really love someone even when they feel guilt or negative feelings based on how you view them? Can you love someone while judging them? Can you really be loving someone if you would like to see them completely change, or completely give up who they are, or who they were? Is it really love if you are tossing their beliefs out the window because you believe your beliefs are the only true beliefs? Can you love your neighbour if you don’t understand your neighbour? If you have ideas about your neighbour that are completely based in lies or falsehoods, and you are judging them on those…can you really be loving your neighbour? Can you really love someone who’s ideas you would prefer to see oppressed?

Isn’t love acceptance? Isn’t love trust? Isn’t love understanding? Isn’t love looking at someone on an equal level? Isn’t love free from judging? Isn’t love free from trying to change someone…either aggressively or passive aggressively? Isn’t love about feeling good, feeling free? If you say you love someone, but then call them a sinner…are you REALLY loving that person? Now they have the yolk (sp?) of judgement around their neck. That’s not love! Isn’t part of love being able to be yourself around the person who loves you…not having to change or be someone you are not??

To me, THIS is loving thy neighbour. This is not the loving thy neighbour that I have often been presented with in these forums. I think it is a good goal to love thy neighbour. It’s a hard goal. It’s challenging…very challenging. It’s probably something we all will not be able to complete accomplish in our lives. But, that doesn’t mean we don’t have to at least try. But it is important to look at the impact we are having…and look at the love we are trying to give, and try to make sure it is love! We could call a million things love…but…if you are giving love and it’s causing more harm than good…maybe it’s time to look at your definition of love.

Every time someone says, or defends the concept of people coming from other countries having to abandon their culture, their beliefs, their ways to be Canadian…I don’t see love at all. Every time someone calls a gay or lesbian a sinner for being the way they are NOT by choice, but because that is the way they are…I don’t see love. Everytime someone says that the love between a man and a woman is some how stronger or more legitimate than the love between two gay men or two lesbian women, I don’t see love. Everytime someone says that when someone has done wrong, that they should just be locked up and have the key thrown away…I don’t see love. Everytime I hear someone say that other religions are not valid, only one…I don’t see love.

Ask yourself, as I will continue to, do you REALLY want to love thy neighbour….or do you just like that snappy little catch phrase? I haven’t been Mr. Rosy sunshine, expressing love and such in these forums too much. I can be judgemental just as much as anyone else, and I can learn from what I am saying as well…I will say that. It’s a growing process. It’s life long learning exercise. How can we have true, positive, helpful love for the people who surround us…our neighbours, our friends, our fellow citizens, our families. How do we overcome negative feelings, judgement calls, hurt feelings, etc. How does our beliefs or our religion fit into all of this. What your god teaching you? Is it really static…or is it open for interpretation to allow you to REALLY show love for thy neighbour?

 

[sanctus]

Good point. But, I've never seen his arse. I'm just kinda takin it for granted that it's about like the rest of him: only miserable once in a while.

I think it is very cute...

 

[sanctus]

I have had a chance "here" to vent my feelings, and I wouldn't reverse any of my opinions "previous".
But, now, I will back away, and settle down, and be myself again, and thank you Sanctus,I will work
on the anger, but you know, it has it's place in one's life, it is a valuable emotion, when used with
dicipline, and doesn't show itself too often, or, for no-good reason.

You're right, but like everything, there is a time and place of it. It is to be used, but from that point we must move on.