Love Of Our Neighbour

sanctus

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yup. like you said a week or so ago, best to move over these kinds of posts and instead pray for the maliciousness of the poster to be cleansed. by the by, who is this saint? do you have any info about him father?
St. Jean-Baptiste-Marie Vianney



Curé of Ars, born at Dardilly, near Lyons, France, on 8 May, 1786; died at Ars, 4 August, 1859; son of Matthieu Vianney and Marie Beluze.
In 1806, the curé at Ecully, M. Balley, opened a school for ecclesiastical students, and Jean-Marie was sent to him. Though he was of average intelligence and his masters never seem to have doubted his vocation, his knowledge was extremely limited, being confined to a little arithmetic, history, and geography, and he found learning, especially the study of Latin, excessively difficult. One of his fellow-students, Matthias Loras, afterwards first Bishop of Dubuque, assisted him with his Latin lessons.
But now another obstacle presented itself. Young Vianney was drawn in the conscription, the war with Spain and the urgent need of recruits having caused Napoleon to withdraw the exemption enjoyed by the ecclesiastical students in the diocese of his uncle, Cardinal Fesch. Matthieu Vianney tried unsuccessfully to procure a substitute, so his son was obliged to go. His regiment soon received marching orders. The morning of departure, Jean-Baptiste went to church to pray, and on his return to the barracks found that his comrades had already left. He was threatened with arrest, but the recruiting captain believed his story and sent him after the troops. At nightfall he met a young man who volunteered to guide him to his fellow-soldiers, but led him to Noes, where some deserters had gathered. The mayor persuaded him to remain there, under an assumed name, as schoolmaster. After fourteen months, he was able to communicate with his family. His father was vexed to know that he was a deserter and ordered him to surrender but the matter was settled by his younger brother offering to serve in his stead and being accepted.
Jean-Baptiste now resumed his studies at Ecully. In 1812, he was sent to the seminary at Verrieres; he was so deficient in Latin as to be obliged to follow the philosophy course in French. He failed to pass the examinations for entrance to the seminary proper, but on re-examination three months later succeeded. On 13 August, 1815, he was ordained priest by Mgr. Simon, Bishop of Grenoble. His difficulties in making the preparatory studies seem to have been due to a lack of mental suppleness in dealing with theory as distinct from practice -- a lack accounted for by the meagreness of his early schooling, the advanced age at which he began to study, the fact that he was not of more than average intelligence, and that he was far advanced in spiritual science and in the practice of virtue long before he came to study it in the abstract. He was sent to Ecully as assistant to M. Balley, who had first recognized and encouraged his vocation, who urged him to persevere when the obstacles in his way seemed insurmountable, who interceded with the examiners when he failed to pass for the higher seminary, and who was his model as well as his preceptor and patron. In 1818, after the death of M. Balley, M. Vianney was made parish priest of Ars, a village not very far from Lyons. It was in the exercise of the functions of the parish priest in this remote French hamlet that as the "curé d'Ars" he became known throughout France and the Christian world. A few years after he went to Ars, he founded a sort of orphanage for destitute girls. It was called "The Providence" and was the model of similar institutions established later all over France. M. Vianney himself instructed the children of "The Providence" in the catechism, and these catechetical instructions came to be so popular that at last they were given every day in the church to large crowds. "The Providence" was the favourite work of the "curé d'Ars", but, although it was successful, it was closed in 1847, because the holy curé thought that he was not justified in maintaining it in the face of the opposition of many good people. Its closing was a very heavy trial to him.
But the chief labour of the Curé d'Ars was the direction of souls. He had not been long at Ars when people began coming to him from other parishes, then from distant places, then from all parts of France, and finally from other countries. As early as 1835, his bishop forbade him to attend the annual retreats of the diocesan clergy because of "the souls awaiting him yonder". During the last ten years of his life, he spent from sixteen to eighteen hours a day in the confessional. His advice was sought by bishops, priests, religious, young men and women in doubt as to their vocation, sinners, persons in all sorts of difficulties and the sick. In 1855, the number of pilgrims had reached twenty thousand a year. The most distinguished persons visited Ars for the purpose of seeing the holy curé and hearing his daily instruction. The Venerable Father Colin was ordained deacon at the same time, and was his life-long friend, while Mother Marie de la Providence founded the Helpers of the Holy Souls on his advice and with his constant encouragement. His direction was characterized by common sense, remarkable insight, and supernatural knowledge. He would sometimes divine sins withheld in an imperfect confession. His instructions were simple in language, full of imagery drawn from daily life and country scenes, but breathing faith and that love of God which was his life principle and which he infused into his audience as much by his manner and appearance as by his words, for, at the last, his voice was almost inaudible.
The miracles recorded by his biographers are of three classes:
  • first, the obtaining of money for his charities and food for his orphans;
  • secondly, supernatural knowledge of the past and future;
  • thirdly, healing the sick, especially children.
The greatest miracle of all was his life. He practised mortification from his early youth. and for forty years his food and sleep were insufficient, humanly speaking, to sustain life. And yet he laboured incessantly, with unfailing humility, gentleness, patience, and cheerfulness, until he was more than seventy-three years old.
On 3 October, 1874 Jean-Baptiste-Marie Vianney was proclaimed Venerable by Pius IX and on 8 January, 1905, he was enrolled among the Blessed. Pope Pius X proposed him as a model to the parochial clergy.
[Note: In 1925, Pope Pius XI canonized him. His feast is kept on 4 August.]

Written by Susan T. Otten. Transcribed by Gerard Haffner. The Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume VIII. Published 1910. New York: Robert Appleton Company. Nihil Obstat, October 1, 1910. Remy Lafort, S.T.D., Censor. Imprimatur. +John Cardinal Farley, Archbishop of New York
 

csanopal

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The premise behind the teachings of the faith are universal. That is, if you subtract the religious faith of Jesus as the Christ, or God, the message He brought is still applicable to how we can live a peaceful existence. Despite the claims of some of my fellow Christians who seem to feel you must be Catholic to be good, or Christian, the fact is not once has the Church suggested this. In fact, the Church is quite clear that it recognizes and supports those teachings which are consistent with its own.
Frankly, loving your neighbour just makes good sense as a way to live, and as a beginning to understanding other people.


Is there a limit though? Can we, through loving our neighbour, tolerate sinful behaviour in thet neighbour? Should we point that out to them, in love?
 

TenPenny

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Oh for FRICK SAKES! You are one piece of work Sanctus. After your crap in the FIFA vs Quebec thread, you have the NERVE to post this...and say the crap you are saying. God damn...what an idiot. You make me sick.

Never, ever, ever, call Sanctus an idiot. You'll get a warning from the mods.
 

selfactivated

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Wow, what a great example! I'm floored and you've taught me a good lesson. Isn't it great how we can learn from one another as we work out our path in this world?

Im glad it helped you as the OP helped me. We can aslways say "oh how cool" "what a great idea" But if we dont apply it what good is it?
 

m_levesque

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That is very true. Talk is cheap, as the old saying goes. Action is better, and more obvious.
St Francis of Assisi said that we should preach the Gospel often and, when absolutely necessary, with words. His point was that Catholics teach by the example of their lives.

St Paul speaks of strong meat and milk for babes. Children need to immersed in learning -- not teaching from their own lack of experience and knowledge. Strong meat -- or teaching -- is reserved for those whom God has specifically chosen to teach, not for those who presume to impose their own will over the will of God.
 

sanctus

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Is there a limit though? Can we, through loving our neighbour, tolerate sinful behaviour in thet neighbour? Should we point that out to them, in love?

A tricky question. The desire to do so is strong, but the actual doing so might not be wise. What limits do you think Jesus gave on love.? I think none. It is true He spoke of redemption from sinful behaviours, but even those in sinful behaviours can be loved and prayed for.,
 

talloola

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Did you write that before my last post?

I don't think I am out of order. I feel that I am in order. I feel that I am expressing myself here and my displeasure...I think I am making good, strong points. Sorry...I really do. I mean, yes, the post Sanctus made is a good post...it is nice...BUT...BUT...then I go into another thread and he says the opposite...and says some things that really offend me. Sooooo...I'm pointing that out. And, as usual, this is a public forum...and I'm tired of everyone telling me when I should post what where...I feel that what I am saying is related directly to the main subject. What is it with people in these forums always trying to shut me up or shut me down. These are public forums, and I am expressing myself...I am not being mean and rude for the sake of being mean and rude...I am connecting dots...I'm questioning. It does make me sick when someone posts a wonderful post like this...and yet, himself, taints it by going into other forums and completely making a mockery of it.

But...like selfactivated says....what does it mean to me. And that is something to think about. And, ya, maybe it is better not to look at the source...a source I do not trust...a source that I feel is blatantly wrong at times...who cancels himself out...who...I don't know what the guy is doing. Anyway, like selfactivated says...what does it mean to me....hmmmmm.....well, maybe I do need to think about it. I mean, I still stand by what I have said...but how do I reconcile it with what I am feeling when I read all this stuff...interesting.

JUST TAKE A BIG BREATH AND COUNT TO TEN BEFORE YOU POST, then say how you feel, and
what you think.
 

karrie

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Tim Horton's. Fresh ground, fresh brewed.

MMmmm, yum. Mind you, I've had one cup of Tim's coffee already tonight, and look where that got me! It made for one hell of a silly mood. Any more coffee, I might get myself banned off CanCon altogether.
 

talloola

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A tricky question. The desire to do so is strong, but the actual doing so might not be wise. What limits do you think Jesus gave on love.? I think none. It is true He spoke of redemption from sinful behaviours, but even those in sinful behaviours can be loved and prayed for.,

How can I help "myself" find any peace of mind, as I think of that "horrible" man who was found
guilty today of sexually assaulting, and burying "alive" that sweet little girl in the u.s., as the hate and
fury I feel toward that man just seems far too "mild" for someone like him. I think of the little
girl "Jessica" and vusualize her "suffering", I am crying as I write this, it is so horrible. How could
anyone ever explain such a vile crime.
 
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