Louis Riel, Hound or Hero?

Spade

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Anybody who bucks the system is automatically labeled a lunatic but if it weren't for lunatics we would still be under the boot of oppressive monarchs and dictators - Oh crap! we are!

So are the Scots and have been for the past four centuries. Maybe that's why their men wear dresses?!
 

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So are the Scots and have been for the past four centuries. Maybe that's why their men wear dresses?!
Never could figure that out. How can you go into battle with your willy flapping in the breeze? I would think it would make one a little over protective of one's pee pee parts.
 

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I guess the Scots gave the English the willies!

Back on topic...

I know that through the grace of God, I am the founder of Manitoba.
- Louis Riel
 

Cliffy

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I guess the Scots gave the English the willies!

Back on topic...

I know that through the grace of God, I am the founder of Manitoba.
- Louis Riel
I wonder if that thought was going through his head when they snapped his neck?
 

El Barto

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"To unhang Louis Riel and to mount a statue to him on Parliament Hill would elevate anarchy and civil disobedience to that of democratic statesmanship."



Let's get real here , How many canadians know enough or any of their history to actually judge and or care?
 

Bar Sinister

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Never could figure that out. How can you go into battle with your willy flapping in the breeze? I would think it would make one a little over protective of one's pee pee parts.

Don't worry, Cliffy. The kilt was such an expensive item of clothing that when Scots charged into battle they took them off first. I suspect having a horde of nude, screaming, claymore wielding Scotsmen coming at you would have been quite terrifying.
 

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Don't worry, Cliffy. The kilt was such an expensive item of clothing that when Scots charged into battle they took them off first. I suspect having a horde of nude, screaming, claymore wielding Scotsmen coming at you would have been quite terrifying.

Can't think of anything more horrible - like dwarves on caffeine.
 

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Riel set up a provisional government that represented a majority of the people in a territory without any other legitimate authority......if any government has legitimate power to act, Riel's did.

Riel negotiated the entry of Manitoba into the Confederation, in the same way the Union was negotiated at first, and in the same way PEI negotiated entry in 1873 (if I remember correctly) Yes, recognized or not, Louis Riel is a Father of Confederation......in the same way Joey Smallwood is.....

The Northwest Rebellion was largely the result of the slaughter of the buffalo, an influx of settlers, and the building of the railroad......much of it in violation of signed treaties.....in a land where the people were starving to death...literally.

When your people are being abused to death, armed rebellion becomes a duty......one Riel rose to....the desperation of their situation can be guaged by the fact that there were also small Cree uprisings at the same time, independent of Riel.

Now, all that said, Riel was certifiable. A complete nutbar, probably schizophrenic, with auditory and visual hallucinations and religious delusions. The backbone, the hero, the extremely competent military leder of both rebellions was Gabriel DuMont.......ad the last battle of the Northwest Rebellion was lost as Riel took over as tactician...:roll:

And that's how I see it.
Because that's historical fact. If more Canadians were up to speed on Canadian history, we probably wouldn't be as complacent as we are.

Anybody who bucks the system is automatically labeled a lunatic but if it weren't for lunatics we would still be under the boot of oppressive monarchs and dictators - Oh crap! we are!
:lol:

Never could figure that out. How can you go into battle with your willy flapping in the breeze? I would think it would make one a little over protective of one's pee pee parts.
In WWI (LWF), several Highland Regiments used a little known tactic when breaching a ridge or "going over" on the Germans. They would wear their kilts. The Germans had not seen this in combat and on several occasions broke ranks when confronted with a thousand screaming men wearing "dresses", baring down on them.

It proved very affective, until the Germans got used to it.

Let's get real here , How many canadians know enough or any of their history to actually judge and or care?
Bingo!!!
 

Liberalman

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When I went to school a long time ago in Manitoba, Riel was a traitor. Now he's a hero. I'm confused. I guess history keeps getting rewritten differently, depending on who's doing the writing and how things have changed since those days.

When the Reform/Conservatives get the majority in the federal government Riel will be a traitor again because this party bought flip flopping to a whole new level
 

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When Thatcher was premier in Saskatchewan, his government had commissioned a statue of Riel. Thatcher insisted that the likeness not be abstract but that of a "real man." And, the artist obliged.
 

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I think what we are seeing is the creation of a Metis hero out of a nutcase who's only solution was armed insurrection

Highlighting contributions to Canadian society is laudable. Where Riel is concerned, however, that promotion must be limited to the facts about his troubled, chequered life. Riel, who claimed to be Metis on the basis of having one-tenth aboriginal blood, assumed the role of Metis leader in western Canada. His psychosis manifested itself in the conviction that he was a great religious leader and the spiritual hero of the people of Rupert's Land. The problem was that Metis not of French and Indian descent did not share his vision, any more than did the English-speaking settlers or most aboriginal persons. In fact, the inhabitants of the region simply did not want change through violence.

In short, Riel did not have the full support of his people, let alone Rupert's Land that he needed to create his own territory. Instead, he used arms and force, those ancient non-democratic methods, resulting in death and terror. He was accordingly confronted by force for his crimes, lost and hung.

Read the full article:
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countryboy

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I think what we are seeing is the creation of a Metis hero out of a nutcase who's only solution was armed insurrection

Highlighting contributions to Canadian society is laudable. Where Riel is concerned, however, that promotion must be limited to the facts about his troubled, chequered life. Riel, who claimed to be Metis on the basis of having one-tenth aboriginal blood, assumed the role of Metis leader in western Canada. His psychosis manifested itself in the conviction that he was a great religious leader and the spiritual hero of the people of Rupert's Land. The problem was that Metis not of French and Indian descent did not share his vision, any more than did the English-speaking settlers or most aboriginal persons. In fact, the inhabitants of the region simply did not want change through violence.

In short, Riel did not have the full support of his people, let alone Rupert's Land that he needed to create his own territory. Instead, he used arms and force, those ancient non-democratic methods, resulting in death and terror. He was accordingly confronted by force for his crimes, lost and hung.

Read the full article:
Untitled Document

That's pretty much how I learned it way back when. I don't recall any opposition from the local Metis folks about it...and I socialized, hunted, and trapped with some of them at that time. He somehow became a hero later on.
 

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That's pretty much how I learned it way back when. I don't recall any opposition from the local Metis folks about it...and I socialized, hunted, and trapped with some of them at that time. He somehow became a hero later on.

He only became a hero when a bunch of PC liberals went looking for places to squander taxpayers money to assuage their guilt at being born Canadian.
 

Liberalman

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The aboriginals of Canada never accepted the Metis so really they are not Indians so Louis Riel was a criminal