London traffic warden defies five furious secret service agents

[PoliticalNick]

How would you like it if the Queen came to American and thought "To hell with the laws of the US. I'll do what the **** I want. I'm the Queen" and whereas other drivers had to pay a toll road she just dodged paying it.

Politicians may be above the law in American, but they aren't in Britain. When Obama comes to Britain he abides by our laws, whether you like it or not.

The old cow doesn't pay road tolls in the US or Canada. She is also exempt from prosecution on her visits. It is a courtesy extended to heads of state and their envoys. In fact when the stupid old b*tch comes to Canada the taxpayers here pick up the tab for everything.

 

[EagleSmack]

How would you like it if the Queen came to American and thought "To hell with the laws of the US. I'll do what the **** I want. I'm the Queen" .

She's a diplomat right? She has immunity!

Educate yourself would you.

 

[petros]

Are you deliberately ignoring the posts where I've pointed out that American embassy staff have NO diplomatic immunity from paying road tolls like the London congestion charge, just as British embassy officials have to pay road tolls in the US?

Or are you just being a typical Yank - breathtakingly arrogant?

British officials are forved to pay road tolls in the US, yet US officials avoid paying the London congestion charge, which is a road toll. It's just hypocrisy of the highest order.

What's the service provided?

 

[Blackleaf]

So you admit it is a toll and not a fee for providing a service.

What's the difference?

And if embassy officials are exempt from paying road tolls then why are foreign diplomats forced to pay them in the US? British officials pay road tolls in the US..

Either embassy officials are NOT exempt from paying road tolls or the US is breaking the law in forcing them to do so. And if the latter is the case, someone needs to make sure that all those foreign diplomats no longer pay road tolls in the US like all the other road users.

 

[EagleSmack]

The old cow doesn't pay road tolls in the US or Canada. She is also exempt from prosecution on her visits. It is a courtesy extended to heads of state and their envoys. In fact when the stupid old b*tch comes to Canada the taxpayers here pick up the tab for everything.

Absolutely! Do you think when the Royals visit various states in the US they stop at the tolls? Hell no. They blow right through them with a police escort paid for by the good citizens of the US.

BL is just being a b****.

 

[petros]

What's the difference?

Everything.

 

[Blackleaf]

Absolutely! Do you think when the Royals visit various states in the US they stop at the tolls? Hell no. They blow right through them with a police escort paid for by the good citizens of the US.

Can you provide an example of that ever happening? I'll give you two minutes.

Everything.

So the US is breaking the law in making British officials pay road tolls.

I see. Well, something needs to be done. It's time for me to send an e-petition to the Commons to get this sorted out.

 

[PoliticalNick]

What's the difference?

A toll is a form of taxation to pay for the building and upkeep of a road, bridge or tunnel. A fee for service is imposed when a service is provided to someone by another party.

"Toll" is sometimes used as a synonym for tariff

Toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you provide an example of that ever happening? I'll give you two minutes.

Every time she visits a foreign country. It is standard practice to give heads of state security, accomodation and transportation at the expense of the host country.

 

[Sons of Liberty]

Can you provide an example of that ever happening? I'll give you two minutes.



So the US is breaking the law in making British officials pay road tolls.

I see. Well, something needs to be done. It's time for me to send an e-petition to the Commons to get this sorted out.

Show me a video showing the Queen paying tolls and I'll personally rally for money to send to London.

 

[Blackleaf]

A toll is a form of taxation to pay for the building and upkeep of a road, bridge or tunnel. A fee for service is imposed when a service is provided to someone by another party.

Toll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If a road toll is a tax then why are foreign embassy officials made to pay road tolls in the US when they are supposed to be exempt from paying taxes?

And why are US embassy officials avoiding paying the London congestion charge when it is NOT a tax and therefore they aren't exempt from paying it?

On both counts the US is in the wrong.

 

[petros]

Which toll roads would be used by dignitaries to conduct affairs within the US?

 

[Blackleaf]

Which toll roads would be used by dignitaries to conduct affairs within the US?

I don't know what toll roads they use. I've never been there. But the fact is that British officials pay road tolls in the US.

 

[petros]

For recreational use everybody pays. Since there are no toll roads to and from embassies Brits pay SFA except for recreational use.

Are foreigners congesting city of London on leisure trips or to conduct embassy affairs?

Why on earth would a Brit dignitary want to use the New Jersey turn pike for other than recreational purposes?

 

[PoliticalNick]

I don't know what toll roads they use. I've never been there. But the fact is that British officials pay road tolls in the US.

So you don't know if they travel on toll roads or if they pay the tolls. Glad you admit you are clueless in this argument.

 

[petros]

Tolls go to maintenance, refurbishment and expansion. What does the congestion fee go towards?

 

[karrie]

The fact that so many affluent embassies are refusing to pay, may be an indication that they need to rewrite, reword, or otherwise tweak their toll so that it is obvious as a toll and not as a road tax.

Look how much money they are losing (and charging the tax payer), by being lazy about how they implement it.

There's an interesting article from Emory Law Review, that I don't know how to post because it's a pdf, entitled 'user fee or tax', that reviews congestion charges from the context of NYC's proposed implementation of it, and whether it would be considered a user fee or a tax. It has some interesting stats as well about diplomats dodging fines and parking fees, apparently not something only London faces. I'd highly suggest anyone truly curious about the legal argument take a gander at it.

From what it says about other cities implementing these charges... London needs to revamp how it implements it, and make it a much more clear toll.

 

[petros]

Copy and paste works from a pdf.

It's funny how Heathrow doesn't charge any fees but the CoL does.

any traffic engaged on the Queen’s flight or on flights operated primarily for the purpose of
the transport of Government Ministers or visiting Heads of State or dignitaries from​

abroad.

 

[karrie]

Copy and paste works from a pdf.

It's a long article. Telling everyone precisely what to look for works just as well.

Emory law review, user fee or tax

 

[Sons of Liberty]

There's an interesting article from Emory Law Review, that I don't know how to post because it's a pdf, entitled 'user fee or tax', that reviews congestion charges from the context of NYC's proposed implementation of it, and whether it would be considered a user fee or a tax. It has some interesting stats as well about diplomats dodging fines and parking fees, apparently not something only London faces. I'd highly suggest anyone truly curious about the legal argument take a gander at it.

From what it says about other cities implementing these charges... London needs to revamp how it implements it, and make it a much more clear toll.

Blackleaf isn't interested in facts, just British chest thumping.

 

[petros]

They have chests?