Live in french in Montréal

[Machjo]

NAZI. How dare you tell anyone, anywhere what language they havd to speak. You are a fascist.

You're exaggerating.

There are cases when imposing a common language makes sense. Air traffic control, government, natural monopoly. Beyond that, like in most private businesses, any language imposition should favour the least advantaged. The local sign language, International Sign, the local indigenous oral language, Esperanto due to its phonetic spelling that is eadier for dyslexics to read and the Deaf to pronounce.

But I do agree with you overall that language ought to be regulated only as necessary and no more.

Bill 101 doesn't concern itself with the less advantaged at all. It's a power grab. I'd contacted the OQLF a few years ago to confirm that I understood the law correctly, and I had. If a shop in Gatineau should put up a sign in Algonquin (the local indigenous language) followed by French, both in the same language, that would conflict with the law. That the writers of that law had not thought about this reveals their mindset given how obvious it was.

No it isn't.... French is the language they speak in Paris. The versions spoken here vary from community to community, from family to family, or from one fence post to the next. It certainly isn't the French spoken in Saigon or Algeria ... but every one of them is the only "right" one

What? There exists an international standard French and local variants throughout. Francophones can generally understand one another worldwide.

 

[Queb]

If Quebec is a nation why are our tax dollars subsidizing it? Are you just like all the other banana republics we also support?

Equalization is a federal program. You should clame to cancel it. I am with you. No problem.

I do. I fundamentally disagree with your position and that of the Federal government on Quebec and bilingualism.

It's not a question to agree or not. It's simple fact.

 

[Curious Cdn]

You're exaggerating

No. I'm not. Demanding that any group MUST speak a prescribed lznguage is a humsn rights violation.

NAZIs . Francofascists.

 

[Jinentonix]

You're exaggerating.

No, he's not. A few years back there was a gentleman living in an English speaking community in Quebec near the Ontario border. He had a small hobby business were he did small engine repair. His sign was in English and was hand written. The Quebec language nazis showed up and told him he had to change the sign to French or he would face a $500 fine.
So you see, even in the predominantly English parts of Quebec, signage still has to be in French, or else!

 

[lone wolf]

What? There exists an international standard French and local variants throughout. Francophones can generally understand one another worldwide.

Why don't you debate what was said instead of what you wanted it to say? Of course there's a "standard".... the Parisian stuff they put on all the cereal boxes and teach in school

 

[captain morgan]

sorry but. You should learn a bit about the federation where you live. at least some basic facts.


3- Yes Quebec is a nation and it have been recognized formally by the chamber of commons

Thanks for the Sunday morning chuckles.... To be more accurate on point #3 you submitted; Quebec is a nation that is not capable of maintaining itself, financially, economically or culturally without the massive support of Canada

 

[Curious Cdn]

Thanks for the Sunday morning chuckles.... To be more accurate on point #3 you submitted; Quebec is a nation that is not capable of maintaining itself, financially, economically or culturally without the massive support of Canada

It is a living museum of the long lost Francophone world of North America.

 

[captain morgan]

Well put

 

[Queb]

Thanks for the Sunday morning chuckles.... To be more accurate on point #3 you submitted; Quebec is a nation that is not capable of maintaining itself, financially, economically or culturally without the massive support of Canada

hein ?

equalization program is 18 bilions all over canada.
Quebec pay 20% of this equalization representing about 4 bilions
Quebec receive 10 bilions of equalization. Then a "profit" of 6 bilions

Québec send more or less 50 bilions to federal
and Quebec taxe payers send 100 bilions to Québec for a total 150 bilions

6 bilions is 4% of it.... come on.

 

[Machjo]

You're exaggerating

No. I'm not. Demanding that any group MUST speak a prescribed lznguage is a humsn rights violation.

NAZIs . Francofascists.

I'll make sure to pass that on to my local air traffic controllers, bloody fascist pilots and ATC's.

Why don't you debate what was said instead of what you wanted it to say? Of course there's a "standard".... the Parisian stuff they put on all the cereal boxes and teach in school

He wasn't talking about Bill 101 in that post. He was talking about language imposition in general. On that, he's grossly exaggerating.

Now if you're talking about Bill 101, yes, Bill 101 is excessive. But that is a separate debate from language imposition in general terms.

Every organization imposes a common language in its memvers so it can function efficiently.

 

[Queb]

I'll make sure to pass that on to my local air traffic controllers, bloody fascist pilots and ATC's.



He wasn't talking about Bill 101 in that post. He was talking about language imposition in general. On that, he's grossly exaggerating.

No. I am asking what would be the reaction of canadians if Toronto is massively invaded by a foreign language like chinese even if the Chinese only represent 13% of the population of the city and english is the official language of Ontario.

But, I don't expect an honest answer anymore. Forget it ;-)

 

[gerryh]

No. I am asking what would be the reaction of canadians if Toronto is massively invaded by a foreign language like chinese even if the Chinese only represent 13% of the population of the city and english is the official language of Ontario.

But, I don't expect an honest answer anymore. Forget it ;-)

Look at Richmond BC



Fu ckn seperatist quebecois peice of shyte.

 

[Curious Cdn]

I'll make sure to pass that on to my local air traffic controllers, bloody fascist pilots and ATC's.

You want to fly in a North Americsn airspace where only an elite few can understand an aircraft's transmissions?

That, by the way, is more a reflection of American rather than Canadian needs. Quebec controllers don't overlap English Canada much but the sure do overlap American juristictions, all the way along. When that "Francais en l'air" sillyness was happening, SAC had a very busy, active bomber base going just over the border from Montreal, a few minute's flying time. You figure that they were going to keep up with chatter in joual?

No. I am asking what would be the reaction of canadians if Toronto is massively invaded by a foreign language like chinese even if the Chinese only represent 13% of the population of the city and english is the official language of Ontario.

But, I don't expect an honest answer anymore. Forget it ;-)

They will be allowed to speak Chinese.

 

[petros]

Canada needs Quebec. Where the hell else would Haitian refugees go?

 

[Curious Cdn]

Canada needs Quebec. Where the hell else would Haitian refugees go?

No one else wants them. No one else is so desperate for French speaking immigrants.

 

[lone wolf]

He wasn't talking about Bill 101 in that post. He was talking about language imposition in general. On that, he's grossly exaggerating.

Now if you're talking about Bill 101, yes, Bill 101 is excessive. But that is a separate debate from language imposition in general terms.

Every organization imposes a common language in its memvers so it can function efficiently.

Joual is imposed on nobody - and varies from pillar to post - but is the language you'll encounter pretty much everywhere beyond the lawyers office. Speak "lawyer French" and you'll get about the same cold shoulder and lousy service as you would if you spoke English

 

[Curious Cdn]

Joual is imposed on nobody - and varies from pillar to post - but is the language you'll encounter pretty much everywhere beyond the lawyers office. Speak "lawyer French" and you'll get about the same cold shoulder and lousy service as you would if you spoke English

You will drink a lot of spit in those Vieux Montreal bistros.

 

[Machjo]

No. I am asking what would be the reaction of canadians if Toronto is massively invaded by a foreign language like chinese even if the Chinese only represent 13% of the population of the city and english is the official language of Ontario.

But, I don't expect an honest answer anymore. Forget it ;-)

I gave you an honest answer. If only 13%of local voters are Chinese, then we need not fear Chinese gaining any official status in the government. In the private sector though, no one would be forcing you to spend your money at a Chinese business.

As for Gerryh, he just doesn't know how to share an idea without being insulting. Putting his stupidity aside for a moment, he's right. Look at Richmond.

Sure some bigots want Richmond to introduce it's own Bill 101, but the majority are happy with leaving the private sector alone.

I think many French Canadians misunderstand the English reality in Canada. Many parts of what is today English Canada were not English until the 1900's. As a result, many English Canadians regard English their common international second language than as their first national language. Most French Canadians speak French as their first national language. As a result, English Canadians tend to be less emotionally attached to the English language. They see it in the same light as a pilot or ATC sees it: just another communications technology like a computer or a cell phone.

 

[petros]

No one else wants them. No one else is so desperate for French speaking immigrants.

Savages

 

[Queb]

I gave you an honest answer. If only 13%of local voters are Chinese, then we need not fear Chinese gaining any official status in the government.

really ?

English people represent only 13% of Montréal population and less than 10% of Québec....