So is it radical for the government to interfere with any basic held belief by the religious? That's overly broad...
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So is it radical for the government to interfere with any basic held belief by the religious? That's overly broad...
When we are talking about a tenet that is NOT detrimental to any ones person........ yes it is.
That's your perspective. Your employer gave you that plan in lieu of wages. You are paying for your insurance even if you are not personally writing a cheque.
again... not union..... and it looks like better health package than union and better wage package than union. That is, if you're not lieing through your teeth about your employment.
Union or not union is irrelevant. Benefits are paid by employees as they are in lieu of wages.
... And the wage level appears to be far superior on all fronts including the benefits package.
I'd say that it's a piss poor union that can't negotiate an extended medical package for their members.
Kind makes you wonder how much farther ahead they would be if they simply took the union dues and applied it elsewhere... But, then again, the union admin wouldn't serve any real purpose then, would it?
One of the basic tenets of my faith is human sacrifice. I certainly hope that the government does not interfere in that sacrament.
Oh, don't be ridiculous.
Interference is the point.
If you are engaging in human sacrifice, I would say you are interfering in someone else's right to life, liberty, etc........
If you are ordering the Catholic Church (btw, I am NOT Catholic) to provide contraception and morning after pills , you are interfering with their practice of religion.
Nobody in the USA is being denied contraception, if they want it.
It is forcing the Church to provide it which is the problem.
You can kneel in front of your God.....who pretty well leaves you to your life choices; or you can kneel in front of your government, who will never leave you alone.......
Personally, I prefer the former.
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The whole "contraception is a against my religion" thing is a crock. Its not a tenet of faith, its an uneducated social policy statement made by some old men about the health and welfare of women, less than 50 years ago, and rationalized through the use of some vague language in the Bible. This isn't like one of the 10 Commandments. I think the most telling facts about this whole issue are:
- the vast majority of women in the US do utilize or at least believe that contraceptives are allowable
- the "congressional panel" called by the Republicans was almost exclusively men from outside the medical profession, not women and/or doctors
- that whenever ED medications and insurance coverage comes up, the silence is deafening.
The other issue at play here is the tone of the discussion. Yes Limbaugh is a shock jock, but that level of discourse has no place in rational discussion of political issues. My opinion is that he deserves to be censured, as he is, by advertisers. Whats alarming to me though is Limbaugh's tone isn't far removed from Rick Santorum who is still in play as a possible presidential candidate...
- the vast majority of women in the US do utilize or at least believe that contraceptives are allowable
- the "congressional panel" called by the Republicans was almost exclusively men from outside the medical profession, not women and/or doctors
- that whenever ED medications and insurance coverage comes up, the silence is deafening.
The other issue at play here is the tone of the discussion. Yes Limbaugh is a shock jock, but that level of discourse has no place in rational discussion of political issues. My opinion is that he deserves to be censured, as he is, by advertisers. Whats alarming to me though is Limbaugh's tone isn't far removed from Rick Santorum who is still in play as a possible presidential candidate...
Gerry: He is now doing his usual back-step, he is not actualy saying that his plan is not paid by his municipality that he (supposedly) works for....but that indirectly he is paying for it because he is receiving a lesser wage package.
It's the usual dance that we all know about....when caught in a lie ...deflect deflect.
That's why it's a complete waste of time arguing with him...it's like arguing with a kid...:lol:
A little story about unions.............
Before I retired, I used to camp out on weekends with a couple of friends besides a small trout lake out in the boondocks.
One worked in a non-union shop, while the other was a confirmed union man. Me, I can see the advantages of both, and never really meddled in their friendly discussions.
After breakfast, we were sitting around having coffee while their grand-kids (with them for the weekend) were observing an ant hill.
One of the kids said, “My teacher says that ants are the best workers and an intelligent insect”.
I told him “Not true” and I went over to the breakfast table and got the bottle of corn syrup that the kids had used on their pancakes.
Then told them, observe the ants, they are all going around haphazardly with no purpose.
I then took the corn syrup and dropped some about 6 feet from the hill near one ant, which continued to walk around all over the place until she hit the corn syrup. When she had her fill she went zigzagging in the general direction of the hill...Soon another ant happened to cross the trail or scent of the first one and followed it to the corn syrup and after that made a somewhat straighter line for the hill. After a while there was a whole bunch of them were doing it.
I then got a foil liner off the cigarette pack of one of my friends who smoked and laid it paper side up on the ant (Trail). When one ant was on the paper I moved the paper 90 degrees and the ant the ant went of not knowing where to go. I then removed the paper and disturbed the trail.
All the ants after that when they got to where the paper had been they all seemed to go in different directions.
So, I told the kids,”See they're not so smart.....and(winking at my friends) just like union workers....all they are interested in is a collective free lunch, and when they have to make individual decisions...they are lost”
A perfect comparison for the 99'ers and their rote speeches
And when you are Pope, you get to dictate Catholic philosophy.
So far, as far as I know, you aint the Pope.
Truthfully, I absolutely agree.....I have no problem with contraception, and I think the Catholic Church is out of their gourd when it comes to their attitude on the subject.......
But that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. I disapprove of the gov't destroying the Church's right to form their own policies on moral issues.
The same way I would oppose laws against wearing the Burka, although it is obviously a blatant attack on the liberty of women.....
That's fair enough: I'm not even Catholic (closest I come is Mom grew up Catholic but was confirmed as a Lutheran before she married Dad). I could never be Catholic though (if I resolved my own issues of faith/belief) based on the way the hierarchy makes it up on the fly and then claims to speak for God.
I look at it a slightly different way: the Church isn't being told what they have to preach or believe, but rather an employer is being told what they have to provide for their employees and a guardian is being informed what they have to provide for those they assume responsibility for. If the Church removes itself from the role of employer/custodian/guardian, then the conflict goes away. The Catholic Church in particular is (and has been for a while) pushing the legal boundaries of religious freedom in the way it involves itself in the education system and they need to realize there is a point where their religious belief becomes subservient to the Law of the Land.
Actually the only Church that prohibits artificial contraception is the Catholic Church, which is bound by the Encyclical Humanae Vitae promulgated by Paul VI.. and is intended to retain the integrity of the sexual act in the marriage.. rather than trivializing it to mere gratification. In this spirit it allows natural forms of contraception in marriage.. which is just as effective if properly practiced, and avoids the serious health implications of the Pill and interuterine devices.
The Catholic Church's problem with this is that they are being forced to provide contraception against its moral principles.. a major intrusion into the separation of Church and State.
Fluke has been making a fool of herself all over the media. And my guess has just about used up her 15 minutes of fame. She not smart enough to even identify the issues here.
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