I certainly can't point out anywhere where you disagreed with those sentiments either. Without any sort of denial, I must assume tacit agreement with that poster's comments. As for the former remarks, I am not into childishness.
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I certainly can't point out anywhere where you disagreed with those sentiments either. Without any sort of denial, I must assume tacit agreement with that poster's comments. As for the former remarks, I am not into childishness.
School administrators do not deny or approve the claims - that is the exclusive purview of the insurance company.
But again, Fluke's beef is that there is no broad-base program for contraceptives in the policy. It is you that is basing your entire argument of the issue of catastrophic health conditions for which coverage is already supplied.
What does it matter if you are a man or a woman, in Canada, PSA is covered as well at pap smears and mammograms under our Health Care system. With private health coverage, you get what you want to pay for. It varies by company. Travel insurance is the only private insurance I pay for.
I chose coverage for a three week trip to Europe last fall, and for the winter in Florida that suited me best. I was not forced into paying for two separate policies in order to get that coverage either.
Wrong......again. It is not about denying or approving claims. It is about what is or is not covered by an insurance policy that the beneficiaries must pay for without input on what is to be covered. In fact, an outside entity actually stipulated, in this case, what was NOT to be covered. (The University)
PSA is NOT covered. I have the bills to prove it ... and Ontario is in Canada last I checked.
Point is, women get some stuff free and men do too. It's not as penis oriented as you preach herein.
Point is, women get some stuff free and men do too. It's not as penis oriented as you preach herein.
Each Province decides where it will spend it's share of the health care allowance Most Provinces now cover it. I guess you have not had one done recently.
This comes from CBC news- Health, dated March 19th, 2008
When the Ontario government tabled its 2008 budget, it set aside money to pay for a test that helps in the early diagnosis of prostate cancer. Ontario becomes the seventh province to pay for the prostate-specific antigen (PSA) test.
You guessed wrong. Less than four months ago and I'm classed as high-risk. Odd how it's covered for someone who already has been treated for prostate cancer though - like Dad. Don't believe all the sunshine Ontario blows up your backside.
According to you. Read Fluke's transcript again, university officials do get involved.
Yeah...so? Good for her. I don't have an argument except that the US Government can and does pass laws that prevent religious practices, and that the requirement for insurance providers to offer prevention is a good idea, with plenty of supporting evidence.
Student Health Insurance
Premier Plan
Study Abroad Plan
For all students, good health is essential to achieving educational goals. Because maintaining good health requires access to health care when you need it, Georgetown University requires the students described below to have health insurance.
•Most students who are charged Georgetown University tuition and registered in resident thesis research or registered for nine or more credit hours in a GU degree program (eight or more credit hours if a law or graduate student) are eligible and required to enroll in the most comprehensive student injury and sickness plan offered through the University, unless their other insurance coverage meets specific University requirements.
A charge for this Premier Plan is placed on eligible students' accounts, per their registration status referenced above, once per Academic Year. Upon being charged for the Premier Plan, students can elect or waive the Plan during Open Enrollment, as appropriate. Only a few student's initial eligibility occurs in the Spring Semester. The Open Enrollment Periods are: ◦Fall Open Enrollment: ■July 1, through September 15.
■Term of Coverage: 8/15/11 through 8/14/12
◦Spring Open Enrollment: ■December 1, through January 31.
■Term of Coverage: 1/1/12 through 8/14/12
Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance
In Bold: Students can waive the school plan as long as their own plan provides enough coverage (That's the school protecting themselves against litigation
"Byrdie" is good at ignoring what does not conform to her ideology:roll:
Premier Plan
Study Abroad Plan
For all students, good health is essential to achieving educational goals. Because maintaining good health requires access to health care when you need it, Georgetown University requires the students described below to have health insurance.
•Most students who are charged Georgetown University tuition and registered in resident thesis research or registered for nine or more credit hours in a GU degree program (eight or more credit hours if a law or graduate student) are eligible and required to enroll in the most comprehensive student injury and sickness plan offered through the University, unless their other insurance coverage meets specific University requirements.
A charge for this Premier Plan is placed on eligible students' accounts, per their registration status referenced above, once per Academic Year. Upon being charged for the Premier Plan, students can elect or waive the Plan during Open Enrollment, as appropriate. Only a few student's initial eligibility occurs in the Spring Semester. The Open Enrollment Periods are: ◦Fall Open Enrollment: ■July 1, through September 15.
■Term of Coverage: 8/15/11 through 8/14/12
◦Spring Open Enrollment: ■December 1, through January 31.
■Term of Coverage: 1/1/12 through 8/14/12
Georgetown University :: Office of Student Affairs :: Student Health Insurance
In Bold: Students can waive the school plan as long as their own plan provides enough coverage (That's the school protecting themselves against litigation
"Byrdie" is good at ignoring what does not conform to her ideology:roll:
The ideologues are all like that, they spew their propaganda and ignore everything else.
Don't expect any of the usual suspects to deal with the hard issues - they know they can't refute anything so the next best strategy is to stay the propagandist course.
No, demanding that the state pay for the trappings and paraphernalia required for birth control is... Exactly where does the line exist for personal responsibility between recreational sex and dedicated family planning?
Are you running around without your hockey helmet again?
The government will be paying for the new mandate imposed on private insurance plans?
Looks like a strawman. Colpy ignored that one too.
Grow up and learn a little about how the real world works instead of this fantasy land in which you exist...
Great answer so far. I can hardly wait to see the rest
So then, this is really about you and Fluke trampling over the rights of Georgetown University because you just know best, eh?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but didn't the Nazis pass a bunch of laws regarding specific members of society that had some supporting evidence too?
Good point, lemme correct that:
Demanding that someone else assume the direct costs for the trappings and paraphernalia required for birth control is.
Thanks.
Now that I think about it, maybe this is a better descriptor:
Demanding that the state pass legislation which allows Fluke to absolve herself of any form of personal responsibility for her own actions.
Better?
Geez,l, I guess the committee that listened to Sandra's suggestions, just didn't have your stats LOL. Of course she, nor the majority of the other students, probably do not fall under the " Study abroad Plan" They are US citizen, going to a US University .
What about "unable to afford coverage outside of a group" do you have a problem with??
I am reposting this as there seem to be a few with very low comprehension skills here.
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
Quote: Originally Posted by captain morgan
The faculty, employees and students are required to pay for the University's chosen group insurance plan, which the University has stipulated must NOT cover birthcontrol. The US Health Department recommends this coverage be made available by insurance companies.
The insurance policy under discussion, is paid for by all of the employees, faculty and students, not the University and which that same University made compulsory. Fluke's stance is that any group insurance forced on the employees, faculty and students, of a University, should at least follow the recommended guidelines laid down by the Health Department of the US.
Those who want prescription coverage for birthcontrol attending this institution, need to carry two insurance policies or pay cash over and above the cost of the inadequate, by government basic standards, of that chosen by the University.
Perhaps I can make this clearer for those with religious blindness.
If the company one works for goes for a group insurance which they stipulated would only cover heart attacks for women, because the company's "belief" that men need to be spiritual enough to rely on prayer only, to prevent the condition. Of course, this policy would be compulsory for all. Just how well would that go over?.
Now, I would remind you of the necessity of either providing one's own insurance policy, (more expensive than a group one) or accepting the conditions of the one chosen by a University following a religious agenda. If a student has a problem with tuition and insurance in the first place, how do they finance one that provides the coverage recommended by the US Health Department on their own??
It has to do with the fact that the US can't afford the utopic nanny-state that Fluke is demanding.
So, having an insurance policy that pays for what the client is willing to pay for is a nanny-state?? It is so annoying when people with religious blindness, seem oblivious of it. Please.......have some regard for actual facts.
The faculty, employees and students are required to pay for the University's chosen group insurance plan, which the University has stipulated must NOT cover birthcontrol. The US Health Department recommends this coverage be made available by insurance companies.
The insurance policy under discussion, is paid for by all of the employees, faculty and students, not the University and which that same University made compulsory. Fluke's stance is that any group insurance forced on the employees, faculty and students, of a University, should at least follow the recommended guidelines laid down by the Health Department of the US.
Those who want prescription coverage for birthcontrol attending this institution, need to carry two insurance policies or pay cash over and above the cost of the inadequate, by government basic standards, of that chosen by the University.
Perhaps I can make this clearer for those with religious blindness.
If the company one works for goes for a group insurance which they stipulated would only cover heart attacks for women, because the company's "belief" that men need to be spiritual enough to rely on prayer only, to prevent the condition. Of course, this policy would be compulsory for all. Just how well would that go over?.
Now, I would remind you of the necessity of either providing one's own insurance policy, (more expensive than a group one) or accepting the conditions of the one chosen by a University following a religious agenda. If a student has a problem with tuition and insurance in the first place, how do they finance one that provides the coverage recommended by the US Health Department on their own??
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Now has always been obvious...... it is not only "not your problem" unfortunately, it didn't seem to have hindered you much re spouting your objections through how many pages, 14 or 15??
What are you trying to say here?
In the end, Fluke's problem is that she refuses to accept responsibility for herself as it relates to contraception... You and a couple of other posters and trying in vain to transform Fluke's demands for subsidized contraception into a health issue.... I don't mind telling you that you're doing a piss-poor job on that front.
As it stands, medically related concerns are dealt with via the insurance.. End of story
As for Fluke's sad little drama about not being able to afford all the sex she wants - again, that's her problem, not mine.
In the end, Fluke's problem is that she refuses to accept responsibility for herself as it relates to contraception... You and a couple of other posters and trying in vain to transform Fluke's demands for subsidized contraception into a health issue.... I don't mind telling you that you're doing a piss-poor job on that front.
As it stands, medically related concerns are dealt with via the insurance.. End of story
As for Fluke's sad little drama about not being able to afford all the sex she wants - again, that's her problem, not mine.
Well, I have been to University where the delivery of healthcare involved the school and the school administration.
That is the real world you ignoramus. Where did you go to school?
Yes, I'm saying your point is the equivalent of so what. What's the big deal with Fluke having an issue about her health coverage?
No, this is about the government passing legislation that: a) addresses health coverage in the US with available science, and b) reduces the long-term costs of healthcare. For Fluke, it's about all women having access to contraceptives. For me, it's a topic on a forum.
I already went over the fact that the government can and does have the right to pass legislation that limits religious practices. They can't make laws against religious beliefs, but they most definitely can make laws that make certain practices illegal.
This law says that all private insurance plans will include female contraceptive coverage. That's ironic, considering that you thought it was so improper for me to compare your statements to racists in the past, that now you would directly compare this law to those passed by the Nazi's.
And if you think that the "science" the Nazi's were using is in any fashion on a similar footing as the benefits of the oral contraceptive pill for women's health, then you need some education on the matter. There are threads on Eugenics, go find them and read.
I know it is, for some reason many in this thread are unaware of the actual reality of the bill. Shocking...
I see you've come full circle now. She pays for her insurance. Are you absolved of your personal responsibility by having health coverage? Yeah, that's just friggin' stupid. :roll:
So, you equate the delivery of the actual healthcare with the administration of the insurance then?
:roll:
Then you might wish to opt to live in it.:roll:
Which degree?
Her issue is nothing less than her pissing and moaning that she can't afford the cost of her wanting to have sex... That's what this is about Tonnington - not about women's health, but about Fluke experiencing financial hardship based on the egregious costs associated with her sex life.
:roll:
Hysterectomies will reduce long-term health care costs too.
In fact, passing a law that prevents people from crossing a busy street will have a huge impact on healthcare costs.... Think it's a good idea to ban anyone from crossing the street?:roll:
... Like religious practices?:roll:
Grow up - just because something is made into law, doesn't make it right - hence the reference I made about some laws that were passed by history's most notorious group.:roll:
See above.
Oh yeah, and grow up:roll:
Keep telling yourself that. This bill is about Fluke absolving herself about taking personal responsibility for recreational sex.
If you still insist on buying into this BS that it is about women's health, then I have a bridge to sell you.:roll:
Grow-up.
Fluke doesn't like her coverage, but is too stupid to get a different policy to cover her sex needs... What's her solution? - That's right. get someone else to pay.:roll:
Insurance pays for prescriptions, prescriptions are part of healthcare. You don't understand this?
Right, you mean in your fantasy land where someone else with the same insurance provider claiming an accident will put my insurance rates up next year. You can have it all to yourself.
According to you.
Ahh, more insane suggestions from someone who shouldn't be giving anyone health advice. Hysterectomies are invasive surgeries that drastically change the functioning of a woman's body, and surgeries represent real risks themselves. It's unethical to perform surgeries when they aren't needed, especially when there are other less invasive treatment options available.
No, not like. Exactly. We've been over this. Honour killings. Polygamy. Forced Marriage. Not legal.
Your standard BS reply when you have nothing to say. Full circle in more ways then one I guess, with you and Limbaugh both stumbling into Godwin's Law.
You do practice selective reading:roll:
Study abroad is just an inclusion....maybe for road trips:lol:
Switch of your hatred of men before yo post
You never did answer my question about choices...like the choice of going to a different university???
Maybe she's Just another Lib drama queen huh?