Liberals "shill for votes"...

AnnaG

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Anyway, it seems the Gliberal Party has morphed quite a bit in the past 50 years. Not they seem to be quite a bit like the Cons and prefer to feed Canuckians what they think we want to hear as long as they get the votes. Principles seem to have been spiralling down since about Turdeau's stint in the PMO.
I think Ottawa is a doddering old fool out-of-touch with Joe and Judy Averagecanadian..
 

Cobalt_Kid

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I doubt we'd even have a Canada if the Liberals hadn't been around to fight for our national identity... say what you want about Trudeau, he knew who he was and where he came from.

Something I don't think you can say about Mulroney or Harper. Mulroney believed in the bucks(preferable in non-sequential bill in brown paper bags) who knows what Harper really stands for.
 

AnnaG

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I doubt we'd even have a Canada if the Liberals hadn't been around to fight for our national identity... say what you want about Trudeau, he knew who he was and where he came from.

Something I don't think you can say about Mulroney or Harper.
... or ChRETIeN, MArtin, Turner.
Mulroney believed in the bucks(preferable in non-sequential bill in brown paper bags)
Same for Chretien and Martin.
who knows what Harper really stands for.
Good question.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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Civil debate and public input would be a good starting point. Will it work? Has it been tried? Municipal levels of government seem to get things done. How is Nunavut working?

Yes it would, ulimately we the voters are responsible for who gets into office.

I think many more Canadians need to get directly involved in politics, I watched both my parents help select and elect both conservative and Liberal MPs through the 1960s to 1980s.

I'm still undecided about which party to support, I lean to the Green but they have an uphill fight in a nation dependent on the fossil fuel sector for much of its' wealth.
 

CDNBear

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I doubt we'd even have a Canada if the Liberals hadn't been around to fight for our national identity...


Riiiiiight!

Our national identity was found on places like Vimy Ridge, in our rich and vibrant history, in the faces of the many peoples that built this Nation. Trudeau wiped it out and replaced it with his own misguided socialist version. Which is why today we have serious debates on Canada's identity, wht to feel Canadian many resort to comparing ourselves to the US and why we actually have a Ministry of Heritage. He left our identity in tatters.
say what you want about Trudeau, he knew who he was and where he came from.
This is likely true. He came from a repressive French society, was a Nazi sympathizer and supported socialist fascism. I'm pretty sure that's all pretty hard to forget.

Something I don't think you can say about Mulroney or Harper.
100% agreed.
Mulroney believed in the bucks(preferable in non-sequential bill in brown paper bags)
Yep.
who knows what Harper really stands for.
Good question, if I can steal AnnaG answer.
 
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Colpy

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Liberals and Conservatives. Tweedledee and Tweedledum - Tommy Douglas had it right.

Tommy Douglas was a very good man. Most of the Baptist preachers I've met are.....:)....and I've met a lot of them.

As for why his populist, western based, grass roots party never came to prominence........

People voted as their parents' had, strictly PC-Lib, more so even than they do today.......kinda like gang loyalty.....

Same as the reasons the populist, western based, grassroots Reform Party never made it.........smears and distrust from those outside the west.

And the party's platform was simply ahead of its time....that doesn't mean I agree or that it was all good....it was just ahead of the time period in which most people found left ideas acceptable....