Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

[Cannuck]

It says volumes that nobody seems to be defending the actions of their own guy. The best anybody can say about Iggy is that he's not Harper and the best anybody can say about Harper is that he is not Iggy.

I won't vote for either unless somebody can give me a reason to vote for them and not against their rival. Currently, neither has done a damn thing to show me they are remotely capable of effective leadership.

 

[JLM]

It says volumes that nobody seems to be defending the actions of their own guy. The best anybody can say about Iggy is that he's not Harper and the best anybody can say about Harper is that he is not Iggy.

I won't vote for either unless somebody can give me a reason to vote for them and not against their rival. Currently, neither has done a damn thing to show me they are remotely capable of effective leadership.

Very few politicians are, CAnnuck.

 

[pegger]

It says volumes that nobody seems to be defending the actions of their own guy. The best anybody can say about Iggy is that he's not Harper and the best anybody can say about Harper is that he is not Iggy.

I won't vote for either unless somebody can give me a reason to vote for them and not against their rival. Currently, neither has done a damn thing to show me they are remotely capable of effective leadership.

That's the problem with partisans. Their guy can do no wrong, the other can do no right.

As I said earlier (either in this thread, or maybe another) - in my opinion, they are both the same type of personality, Ignatieff is just more polite. However, I am beginning to think that he might also be a bit more mature in his dealings with the other side. He does seem more willing and open to working the government, than the others - but of course the Conservative partisan are calling that weakness...

For me it will come down to the guy that appears to be the most conciliatory and willing to work with others. Currently, that's Ignatieff.

 

[JLM]

That's the problem with partisans. Their guy can do no wrong, the other can do no right.

As I said earlier (either in this thread, or maybe another) - in my opinion, they are both the same type of personality, Ignatieff is just more polite. However, I am beginning to think that he might also be a bit more mature in his dealings with the other side. He does seem more willing and open to working the government, than the others - but of course the Conservative partisan are calling that weakness...

For me it will come down to the guy that appears to be the most conciliatory and willing to work with others. Currently, that's Ignatieff.

Absolutely, BUT he may be being nice for a reason. Things are going his way a bit right now.

 

[pegger]

Absolutely, BUT he may be being nice for a reason. Things are going his way a bit right now.

Hey - if you're going to screw me over - the least you can do is buy me dinner....

 

[captain morgan]

... I see that the libs folded again and supported the gvt... Schmucks..

 

[pegger]

... I see that the libs folded again and supported the gvt... Schmucks..

So - you wanted an election?

 

[captain morgan]

You forget that it was Iggy that was rattling his sabre and threatening to collapse the gvt if he didn't get what he wanted... Well, he didn't get anywhere close to the concessions he demanded AND he didn't come through on his threat.

This episode was successful in exposing Iggy as a blow-hard and nothing more. Harper called his bluff and the liberals folded.

Too bad that Martin wasn't in power for the libs. At least he would have put some substance behind his threats and folks would take him seriously.

 

[pegger]

That doesn't answer my question.

Seriously - did you want an election?

 

[YukonJack]

By now, we all know that there will be no Summer elections.

Let us give this thread the well-deserved rest.

 

[Trex]

Naah,
I feel like poking it a bit more.

The Count demanded 4 things from the Cons or he threatened to throw his toys out of the pram .
He sorta got half of one thing.
And rolled over in a flash.
The press are having a field day with it.
Even the CBC thinks Iggy is looking more like a Dion clone by the day.

And so now we get a panel to study unemployment.
Woo-hoo, another chance for some more of the backbenchers to make even more tax free money.

Iggy has to run sooner over later or Harper is going to stack the senate later in the year.
And if that happens we all know the results down the road.
A paralyzed minority Lib government.
And yet more elections.

Trex

 

[Socrates the Greek]

"Demonize Iggy, paint him as the worst leader since Hitler or Stalin, and hope that voters will vote for lesser of the two evils (since Harper does not really have any accomplishment to show to the voters)."- I'm afraid you are suffering from tunnel vision, Harper brought in pension splitting which has saved many elderly Canadians thousands of dollars a year.

JML putting side by side the comparisons that Harper did something for the people on income splitting while looking at the astronomical debt this country is about to inherit from a group who have no idea what the left hand is doing from the right is irresponsible as well self serving.

Harper helped a handful like you while he f millions who did not have the same infrastructure as you.
Iggy is so squeaky clean he will make Harper worried come election time.
Make sure you quote me on that when the time comes in the fall.

 

[Goober]

From that bastion of Conservatism the Toronto Star-

So what is the point of this post, Goober? Toronto Star does not support the Liberals, its philosophy is more in line with the NDP. As I said, who caved depends upon who is writing the article. If you can cite an opinion poll, we will talk about it. Until then it is just your opinion (that Messiah won a great victory, that Iggy caved) against my opinion (that Iggy did not cave, he got at least some of what he wanted).

TO Star NDP not really – I remember you stating on a variety of occasions that you would not read certain Canadian publications – I stated that you were limiting yourself – also knowing your enemy is common sense – but you disagreed –
My opinion – The Star is more Liberal than NDP -

Another bastion of Liberalism – Globe & Mail – Now surely they are not NDP or are they?

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/canadian-politics/84609-liberals-preparing-summer-election.html
The House of Commons today approved a spending bill that had threatened to topple the Conservative minority government and plunge Canadians into a rare summer election.
The week started with Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff demanding the government come up with a plan to reform Employment Insurance right away, but he backed away and agreed a few days later to a panel that would study the problem over the summer.

 

[Goober]

And yes it is pointless to discuss Iggy’s plans as he has none – Harper kicked his ass

That is the conservative partisan in you talking, Goober. I have no doubt that you think that the Messiah kicked ass. But that is your opinion only.


No it is the realist – What did Iggy get – An EI Panel – Well we should all fall down as the next thing Iggy will do is have manna from the sky. When you limit your reading and ignoring others opinions, then you are ensuring that you will be stuck in the rut of ignorance or blind follower-


This will cost Iggy dearly

So, are you ready to predict here that your Messiah will get a majority come next election?


Not likely – I want them both on short leashes. Sharp nails on the collars, on the inside of the collars – Canadians do not trust either one – Iggy less so as he should be soaring in the polls – But polls at this time are mostly meaningless, you know that as well as I – But if Iggy had that magical touch that the Liberal Inner Sanctum believed he had then he should be 20 point ahead of Harper – And he isn’t – Wonder why? Not a hard question – As Clinton stated – It is the economy stupid -

Do you think the average Canadian could not see that and were totally disgusted that the Liberals

I thought average Canadian is already totally disgusted with Liberals, Goober (and totally enamored with the Messiah). You mean average Canadian will now totally, totally get disgusted with Liberals? Poor Liberals. Do you think they will get even one seat? I know they won’t in your Alberta. But how about the rest of Canada? Do you think they maybe have a chance to win one or two seats? Exactly how big a majority are you predicting for your Messiah?


West of Ontario Liberals do not do well – why is that – they ignore the West – As to seats – How many predicted accurately the disastrous showing that Dion came thru with – As it was often leaked to the media by Liberals – he danced to his own tune – Problem with Iggy is he keeps on changing his tune and then whines a lot – Serenely of course, always in that serene mode – Kingly I might add.


And yes it is pointless to discuss Iggy’s plans as he has none

You were not discussing his plans, Goober, you were merely speculating that Iggy would have done this and Iggy would have done that (without any evidence, I might add). All because you’re Messiah does not have any accomplishment to show for his years in office. What Iggy's plans are for the future, we will learn at the next election campaign.

Canadians are waiting for something of substance from Iggy – Where’s the beef – No meat on his plans -

Lastly – if the economy does start as some economist state, to turn the corner in the 3rd or 4th quarter what will Iggy say then

Well, then I assume your Messiah will get a majority, right? Oh, the happy days. Surely paradise will appear in Canada.

No again. The Liberals will gain seats at the expense of the NDP in Ontario for sure – Quebec from the Cons possibly but you never know what is going to piss of a Quebecker now do you.

 

[Goober]

Perhaps this will be Iggy’s theme song.
http://www.last.fm/music/Bob+Dylan/_/Blowin'+in+the+Wind

And I can picture the Messiah’s theme song, Goober. It of course, has to be ‘Amazing Grace’. Messiah is the Saviour of Canada after all (according to Harper acolytes anyway). What more appropriate song than ‘Amazing Grace’?

SJP
Are you aware of the history behind that particular Hymn and why the man wrote it?

 

[Nuggler]

Looks like the Cons will live, at least till the fall. We wouldn't want our politicos to have to work campaigning and all during the summer, now, would we ?? Nor would we want to forgo the cold beer and go and vote. Least not me.

However, must say, Iggy looked like a complete asshole with his posturing, gesticulating, challenging, .........And then, when confronted, folded like a limp dick and agreed to a "blue ribbon committee" to "study EI" during the summer. Like it hasn't been studied ad nauseam!!

Harper has the mark of his man now, and Iggy just may have lost it, both face and control of the Libs. stupid stupid stupid.

Frak Graves, president of EKOS polling, stated:

"
Graves added the poll suggests Canadians are getting more optimistic about the economy, a factor that may favour the Conservatives.
About 40 per cent said they feel better about the economy than they did three months ago, a three-percentage point boost from the previous week.
Some 47 per cent of respondents disapproved of Harper's job performance, compared to 33 per cent of respondents who approved.
Ignatieff's own job performance ratings, Graves said, appear to have stalled and may be backsliding, with 32 per cent of respondents approving and 34 per cent disapproving.
He said the numbers suggest the public is "not all that impressed" with either leader at this point."


""NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED""........You nailed it, Frank.!!!:angry3:

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Looks like the Cons will live, at least till the fall. We wouldn't want our politicos to have to work campaigning and all during the summer, now, would we ?? Nor would we want to forgo the cold beer and go and vote. Least not me.

However, must say, Iggy looked like a complete asshole with his posturing, gesticulating, challenging, .........And then, when confronted, folded like a limp dick and agreed to a "blue ribbon committee" to "study EI" during the summer. Like it hasn't been studied ad nauseam!!

Harper has the mark of his man now, and Iggy just may have lost it, both face and control of the Libs. stupid stupid stupid.

Frak Graves, president of EKOS polling, stated:

"
Graves added the poll suggests Canadians are getting more optimistic about the economy, a factor that may favour the Conservatives.
About 40 per cent said they feel better about the economy than they did three months ago, a three-percentage point boost from the previous week.
Some 47 per cent of respondents disapproved of Harper's job performance, compared to 33 per cent of respondents who approved.
Ignatieff's own job performance ratings, Graves said, appear to have stalled and may be backsliding, with 32 per cent of respondents approving and 34 per cent disapproving.
He said the numbers suggest the public is "not all that impressed" with either leader at this point."


""NOT AT ALL IMPRESSED""........You nailed it, Frank.!!!:angry3:

None of these is happening you can push the Con propaganda all you want, to day the polls show the Conservatives behind and the Liberals ahead

$100 Billion added to the federal debt in the next 5 years is more stupid then the crap you are desperately trying to feed us,

Sorry Nuggler the Cons are bad for our country Canada and America will confirm that, THEY JUST GOT OUT OF A 8 YEARS STUPID MARRIAGE WITH THE Cons and we all witnessed what happened, America is bank robed because of the Cons.

The rest is pure Con Blab la blab la blab la.

 

[Cannuck]

...to day the polls show the Conservatives behind and the Liberals ahead...

Unfortunately for Liberal supporters the election isn't today.

 

[Nuggler]

None of these is happening you can push the Con propaganda all you want, to day the polls show the Conservatives behind and the Liberals ahead

$100 Billion added to the federal debt in the next 5 years is more stupid then the crap you are desperately trying to feed us,

Sorry Nuggler the Cons are bad for our country Canada and America will confirm that, THEY JUST GOT OUT OF A 8 YEARS STUPID MARRIAGE WITH THE Cons and we all witnessed what happened, America is bank robed because of the Cons.

The rest is pure Con Blab la blab la blab la.

Jeezus, Soc, I know that!!! I hate them all, Cons and Libs alike. Just reportin what I read............:lol:........an........drawin a few konkluzions.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

TO Star NDP not really – I remember you stating on a variety of occasions that you would not read certain Canadian publications – I stated that you were limiting yourself – also knowing your enemy is common sense – but you disagreed –
My opinion – The Star is more Liberal than NDP –

Sorry Goober, I disagree here. I think the Star is more NDP than Lib.

Another bastion of Liberalism – Globe & Mail – Now surely they are not NDP or are they?

Wrong again. Globe is not a Bastian of liberalism, only a right wing Harper acolyte (like you) would call it that. The Globe endorsed Conservatives in the last two elections. Globe is a conservative supporter, but more a Red Tory than a Blue Tory (hence you may have a problem with the Globe).

As I said, show me an opinion poll, then we will talk about it. An opinion poll will tell us how people feel about it (not the Alberta Conservative posters here). Until than, whether he caved depends upon one’s politics.