Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election
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I think Iggy would win. He seems to have a bigger build, at least when I see him on TV. He seems to have a more focussed expression on his face too, which would certainly help both to intimidate and get a few swing in.
I don't follow your logic- if the Conservatives were really bad then the Liberals should be soaring in the polls. The fact they are not suggests to me most are happy with the status quo.
One problem though. If we get rid of political parties, then there'd be nothing more to discuss other than the issues or the merits of individual local candidates. Imagine how boring that would be. It's much more fun to be distracted from issues and focus instead on the Libs this and the Conservatives that. What track record this or that party had in the past is irrelevent. It's not the same guys sitting in the chairs as before either.
Going back to the Thread title, about the Liberals preparing for a Summer
election. The Conservatives have been running Ads for weeks now so
they're preparing for something.
The Real question here, with the Seat numbers sitting where they currently
do, is "What are the NDP & Bloc (& Greens, I suppose) preparing for, if for
anything at all?"
The Liberal Party of Canada can prepare for an election, but they can't bring
one upon the Canadian voters without the Bloc & NDP also voting with the
Liberals to bring down the Conservatives. This isn't the Fall of 2008 anymore,
with Dion in the Hot Seat of the Liberal Party.
Can anyone honestly envision the NDP & Bloc siding with the Liberal's at this
time to bring another election anytime soon? If not, what would it take for the
Bloc & NDP to side with the Liberal's...and would whatever that takes be in
the best interests of the country?
election. The Conservatives have been running Ads for weeks now so
they're preparing for something.
The Real question here, with the Seat numbers sitting where they currently
do, is "What are the NDP & Bloc (& Greens, I suppose) preparing for, if for
anything at all?"
The Liberal Party of Canada can prepare for an election, but they can't bring
one upon the Canadian voters without the Bloc & NDP also voting with the
Liberals to bring down the Conservatives. This isn't the Fall of 2008 anymore,
with Dion in the Hot Seat of the Liberal Party.
Can anyone honestly envision the NDP & Bloc siding with the Liberal's at this
time to bring another election anytime soon? If not, what would it take for the
Bloc & NDP to side with the Liberal's...and would whatever that takes be in
the best interests of the country?
It does nothing of the sort. Even after being in power for 13 years, the fact that Liberals are still in the race, in the running tells me that people are not really all that enthusiastic about Conservatives. They voted for Conservatives just because Liberals have been in power for too long.
The fact that conservatives still are not in the majority territory tells me that Liberals should be optimistic about their chances of coming back to power at the next election or the one after.
Indeed, it is easy to see how far Conservatives have fallen. After the last prolonged Liberal rule, PC party got tow back to back majorities. This time the Messiah is struggling to get even one.
Ron,
I don't see the NDP and Bloc having many problems voting against a Government bill to bring them down. If anything, those parties stand a better chance at getting their platform in bills with the Liberals, than they do with the Conservatives. But, politics can be a tricky game ehh? Maybe a Layton curve ball or a Duceppe knuckler.
I don't see the NDP and Bloc having many problems voting against a Government bill to bring them down. If anything, those parties stand a better chance at getting their platform in bills with the Liberals, than they do with the Conservatives. But, politics can be a tricky game ehh? Maybe a Layton curve ball or a Duceppe knuckler.
This is a truly sad testament to our democracy. Could you imagine how many good Liberal MP's were dumped by the population in favour of some clueless Conservatives just because they wanted a change of colours?
So according to that theory, the same will happen with the Conservative Party soon enough, with some high quality Conservatives being dumped in favour of some clueless Liberals.
Ah, the beauty of partisan democracy. Really, it doesn't say much for the intelligence of our people.
" Indeed, it is easy to see how far Conservatives have fallen."- As I recall the Cons picked up a couple of seats in the last election over the one before.
Yeah, last election, I had four candidates to vote for. One got a friend to answer a question because he had no clue. Another went to the party manual to answer (I could have just got that info online, would have saved a trip). I couldn't contact the third. And the fourth was intelligent and was not afraid to share his own ideas, not just read from a script. In the end, I handed in a blank ballot. Now that I think about it, I should have voted for that fourth one, perhaps I was just asking too much.
But according to partisans, I suppose I should have voted for the idiot who couldn't answer his own question just because his party had a beautiful colour. Or maybe I should have voted for the one who knew nothing but how to reference the Party Manual, because after all, his party was the strategic-voting party par excelence.
Oh my, democracy!?
But according to partisans, I suppose I should have voted for the idiot who couldn't answer his own question just because his party had a beautiful colour. Or maybe I should have voted for the one who knew nothing but how to reference the Party Manual, because after all, his party was the strategic-voting party par excelence.
Oh my, democracy!?
Ah, the beauty of partisan democracy. Really, it doesn't say much for the intelligence of our people.
You are right, Machjo, but that is how Parliamentary Democracy works, people vote for the party, and not the candidate.
When PC party was down to 2 seats, do you think all the more than 170 PC MPs who lost their seats were all scumbags? Or that all the liberal MPs elected at that time were great MPs? Nothing of the sort. When people are mad at a party, many good, capable politicians lose their seats and a lot of riff raff from the other party gets elected.
It is a lot less widespread in USA, but that is one of the drawbacks of Parliamentary system.
You are right, Machjo, but that is how Parliamentary Democracy works, people vote for the party, and not the candidate.
When PC party was down to 2 seats, do you think all the more than 170 PC MPs who lost their seats were all scumbags? Or that all the liberal MPs elected at that time were great MPs? Nothing of the sort. When people are mad at a party, many good, capable politicians lose their seats and a lot of riff raff from the other party gets elected.
It is a lot less widespread in USA, but that is one of the drawbacks of Parliamentary system.
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tonington? I thought you were quoting me?
And no, parliamentary democracy is not partisan by definition.
But based on your description above of how instead of voting for the best candidate, we vote for the one wearing the nicest party colour, don't you think this says something of our civic education in schools?
Sure they did JLM, but the point is, conservatives should be in the majority territory by now if they were any good at all. That is what normally happens, after one party has been in power for a long time, the other party comes in with a majority and usually gets at least two or three majorities in a row.
In Britain, Tories got four back to back majorities, then it was followed by three back to back Labour majorities. Now it looks like Tories will get a majority next election.
In Australia, after Howard got three majorities, not only Labour won a majority federally, but when we visited Australia last year, we were told that Labour was in power federally as well as in each and every state, a total sweep of power.
Same thing happened in USA, where after a long time in wilderness, Democrats came roaring back in 2006.
Contrast this with conservative performance, where after four Liberal victories (three majorities and a minority), all conservatives were able to manage was an anemic, weak minority.
I noticed the lower-case c in consevative. As for Conservatives, are they really conservative? And with the lower case letter, there are plnety of meanings, political and otherwise.
SJP
As usual you look for an out – Ballooning deficit estimates– Quebec leaning heavily towards the Liberals – massive layoffs in Ontario and Quebec – and you state that – Again the lemming in you in showing – reality is looking at facts on the ground – Now as Ron states why would the NDP and Bloc side with the Liberals – 16 Bloc and 8 NDP qualify for a lifetime pension after Jun 2010 –
Last day for the opposition is Jun 23 – St Jean the separatist day is on the 24th I believe.
So with all that the Liberals gained a few points in Ontario – Question – why is that – answer Ignatieff – Perhaps he is not the savior that Liberals were looking – Perhaps Canadians see that he is a tad like Dion and Martin – Threats and no action – Threats and No Plan – Threats – well they are tiresome after a while – Particularly when he constantly walks away for time, a week to make his Majesties Serene decision on what is best for us lowly Canadians.
I don’t’ know about NDP, Goober, but the Bloc probably won’t mind a summer election. And if Layton shores up Harper government by himself, the optics will look very bad for his party.
SJP
The Bloc is having their lunch eaten in Quebec by the Liberals – The NDP are losing support – Add the Liberal and NDP seats and it takes very few from the Bloc to not attend ans they will be in Quebec for the Big Separatist Fest. Of course the Canadian Taxpayer provides funds for this event – Sad to say -