Liberals Preparing For A Summer Election

[Liberalman]

The devil you know

The Conservative devil you know is not doing their job now on the other hand previouse Liberal devil you know had three terms of majorities and they did do their job.

This Conservative devil you know will cause you a lot more pain

Most people I know would rather fix the pain than just settle for pain killers

It's time for a change now not later

 

[JLM]

The Conservative devil you know is not doing their job now on the other hand previouse Liberal devil you know had three terms of majorities and they did do their job.

This Conservative devil you know will cause you a lot more pain

Most people I know would rather fix the pain than just settle for pain killers

It's time for a change now not later

You are missing one thing, we are dealing with different equations where ignatieff wasn't a factor and Martin was. If Martin was head honcho I'd agree with you 100%.

 

[captain morgan]

JLM

$300 million to get rid of a bumbling government as oppose to a $50 billion deficit and counting to keep the Conservative government, do the math have an election is far cheaper.

.... Are you suggesting that if theh libs were in power today, there would be no deficit?

I'd love to hear how that would be possible.

 

[Liberalman]

Captain Morgan

This is exactly what I am saying

 

[pegger]

"Personally I would have preferred no tax cut, keep paying down the debt."- From what you've said in many posts I think it is a fact that your disposable income in the very top percentile among Canadians, so I doubt very much if what you would have preferred, is in any way indicative of the preferences of most Canadians.

While most may not prefer to pay more taxes - to flipping bad - that is the cost for electing the governments in the 70's and 80's and profiting from screwing future generations. Sluffing it off for the next 3 generations to pay, so you can have an extra $5 in your pocket morally reprehensible. There is a moral obligation to pay off that debt before "that" generation expires.

(please note "you" and "your" are no directed specifically at you JLM.)
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[JLM]

.... Are you suggesting that if theh libs were in power today, there would be no deficit?

I'd love to hear how that would be possible.

That's the whole problem with the logic of Ignatieff and his followers, personally I sitll think the guy may have a part time job selling snake oil.

 

[Machjo]

Captain, you are trying to massage the deficit figures during Mulroney era. But facts, numbers have a way of getting in the way of partisan argument. When Mulroney left office, debt was 600 billion $, deficit 40 billion $, end of story.

We could argue what caused the deficit. But Mulroney was the PM for eight years, he owns the deficit. To you, no doubt it was all Trudeau’s fault. Even in his eighth year when Mulroney ran 40 billion $ deficit, Trudeau somehow influenced him even though he had been out of power for eight years.

You are free to argue that way. However, during Mulroney era the deficit and debt both were sky high, and no amount of sophistry, no amount of spin is going to change that.

This is one thing I like about Scott Reid; he's voted against his party on a number of occasions. Of course this doesn't bode well for his future within his party, but it certainly has helped him to get re-elected. That's the kind of MP we need, someone who's not afraid to stad up to the party Leader, not someone who simply parrots him.

 

[JLM]

"(please note "you" and "your" are no directed specifically at you JLM.)"- I'm kind of glad you've added that because my first priority has always been to pay cash or at the very worst to pay with borrowed money I already have "covered". Spending money that hasn't yet materialed is 99% of the problem with the world today.

 

[#juan]

Quoting captain morgan .... Are you suggesting that if theh libs were in power today, there would be no deficit?

I'd love to hear how that would be possible.

After Chretien got rid of the deficit, he balanced the books for the rest of his time in office. This was after nine consecutive deficits by Mulroney. The liberals left a ten billion dollar surplus(How many times have we said this)and Harper is into a 50 billion dollar deficit already.
Yes! If the liberals were in power today there would be no deficit.

 

[pegger]

"(please note "you" and "your" are no directed specifically at you JLM.)"- I'm kind of glad you've added that because my first priority has always been to pay cash or at the very worst to pay with borrowed money I already have "covered". Spending money that hasn't yet materialed is 99% of the problem with the world today.

I didn't want it to be a personal attack - because it isn't. It's more of a "generational" beef I have at large - especially when it comes to the national/provincial debts...

 

[JLM]

This is one thing I like about Scott Reid; he's voted against his party on a number of occasions. Of course this doesn't bode well for his future within his party, but it certainly has helped him to get re-elected. That's the kind of MP we need, someone who's not afraid to stad up to the party Leader, not someone who simply parrots him.

Absolutely right, Machjo. I think most Canadians when voting pay too much attention to the party and the leader and forget about the local M.P. If the country was comprised of M.P.s who were solid regardless of the their political stripe it may go a long way toward getting the leaders to stop acting like a bunch of babies.

 

[captain morgan]

juan.... What can I say in response to your post?... Truly, it is nothing short of fantasy.

 

[Machjo]

Absolutely right, Machjo. I think most Canadians when voting pay too much attention to the party and the leader and forget about the local M.P. If the country was comprised of M.P.s who were solid regardless of the their political stripe it may go a long way toward getting the leaders to stop acting like a bunch of babies.

Good luck explaining that to some people though. they'd vote in an illiterate if they liked his brand name.

 

[Machjo]

And no, this is not coming from a Conservative Party hack. NDP MLA Graham Steele in Halifax is the kind of MLA who's taken much initiative independently of his party in certain spheres too. Again, we need more MPs like that, capable of thinkinf for themselves and not just following their leeder like a flock of sheep.

 

[JLM]

Good luck explaining that to some people though. they'd vote in an illiterate if they liked his brand name.

And you 've just touched on another pet peeve of mine and that is the constant urging people to vote who have no interest in it and very likely no understanding of any of the major issues except possibly one that will benefit them personally in the short term. The more informed and logical the electorate the better - IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I dare say BUT I don't think CAnadians have an appetite for spending another $300 million at this time for an election and I think Harper probably has bigger fish to fry with the $300 million & that would be a very good reason for not wanting an election.

Sure Harper has bigger fish to fry, because he is behind in the opinion polls. Suppose he had been in the majority territory, polling 40% or higher. Do you really think that Harper would have cared if the elections cost 300 million or 3 billion $? No way, he would call an election in a flash.

He may not want to spend 300 million $ because it is not in his interest to do so. If he had been in the majority territory he would not hesitate to spend 3 billion $, let alone 300 million $.

 

[JLM]

Sure Harper has bigger fish to fry, because he is behind in the opinion polls. Suppose he had been in the majority territory, polling 40% or higher. Do you really think that Harper would have cared if the elections cost 300 million or 3 billion $? No way, he would call an election in a flash.

He may not want to spend 300 million $ because it is not in his interest to do so. If he had been in the majority territory he would not hesitate to spend 3 billion $, let alone 300 million $.

Yep, I guess we can speculate all we want but I guess none of us really knows for sure what's on his mind. Liberals will bad mouth him and Conservatives will defend him, so the issure isn't going to be resolved anyway. The bottom line is the last thing we need is another election any time soon.

 

[captain morgan]

Sure Harper has bigger fish to fry, because he is behind in the opinion polls. Suppose he had been in the majority territory, polling 40% or higher. Do you really think that Harper would have cared if the elections cost 300 million or 3 billion $? No way, he would call an election in a flash.

He may not want to spend 300 million $ because it is not in his interest to do so. If he had been in the majority territory he would not hesitate to spend 3 billion $, let alone 300 million $.

Based on your synopsis, it appears that you are predicting that Iggy will topple the gvt on Friday and that the liberals will go on to form a majority.

Is this a fair statement?

 

[JLM]

Based on your synopsis, it appears that you are predicting that Iggy will topple the gvt on Friday and that the liberals will go on to form a majority.

Is this a fair statement?

I doubt it- if Iggy were to pull a stunt like that and didn't get a majority, he'd live to rue the day.

 

[#juan]

National federal vote intention:
¤ 35.0% LPC
¤ 30.3% CPC
¤ 15.1% NDP
¤ 10.4% Green
¤ 9.2% BQ
· Top issue for next election:
¤ 35% social issues
¤ 27% jobs & unemployment
¤ 18% debt & deficit
¤ 11% climate change
¤ 10% none of the above
· Best Prime Minister:
¤ 29% Stephen Harper
¤ 26% Michael Ignatieff


In the last election the Conservatives held a 12 point lead over the Liberals. Right now (actually last week) the Liberals were ahead by 5 points and they are climbing. The new polls coming out on Thursday will show the Liberals ahead by 8 or 9 points.

Harper used to have a big lead in the Best Prime Minister poll but that is dwindling as well.