Liberals offically lift gag on scientists
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That is your job. I'm not making allegations. I was and socialize with "federal scientists". Not a single complaint. All are still bound by the same NDAs they signed under Chretien, Martin, Harper and now Trudeau.
There are plenty of stories to justify that it's not hearsay.
You can continue to believe that it is.
You can continue to believe that it is.
So still no stem cell research, which by the way Canada used to be the forerunner in?? Oh well, by now our scientists are working in countries that allow such research.
I wonder if our medicare will foot the care in those countries in cases of spinal cord injuries and other discoveries that could have been made here.
I don't imagine many of those Federal researchers are involved in stem cell research are they??
So? They are still employed by an entity that installed a NDA.
My contract contains a clause on non-disclosure and non compete.
That where you work. Different employers, different rules.
I like it better when I upset the hypocrites and trolls.
Fat Man and Little Boy
Geezus your dumb.
We're looking for missing hard drives and emails in Ontario.
Stop channelling EAO, lol.
Governments rarely have much patience with employees who want to make public statements which disagree with government policy. Nothing was new in that when the Harper government, shall we say, discouraged scientists from contradicting them on environmental issues. The Chretien government, in a notorious case, fired a scientist who insisted their decision, which had to do with the health of meat from some foreign country, as I recall, was wrong. He was suspended, and when he wouldn't shut up, was fired. He took his case all the way to the Supreme Court which decided government scientists had a 'duty of loyalty' to the government, and found against him.
The Harper government did a lot of stuff which people seemed to have little problem with before it was him doing it. But the progressive types built up this big, scary bogyeman image of Harper as the evil towering autocrat and ran around shrieking like their hair was on fire whenever he did anything they didn't like, as if he were the first PM to dare doing so.
The Harper government did a lot of stuff which people seemed to have little problem with before it was him doing it. But the progressive types built up this big, scary bogyeman image of Harper as the evil towering autocrat and ran around shrieking like their hair was on fire whenever he did anything they didn't like, as if he were the first PM to dare doing so.
So you're familiar with our resident Trudeau fanboi-slash-Harper is Hitler, troll, Flossy.
trolling
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most retarded thread in existence."
by EREALLY GUD DEFUNITION MAKUR November 11, 2004
Amazing how many posts fit this description, and rarely from those accused of being one.
Being a prick on the internet because you can. Typically unleashing one or more cynical or sarcastic remarks on an innocent by-stander, because it's the internet and, hey, you can.
Guy: "I just found the coolest ninja pencil in existence."
Other Guy: "I just found the most retarded thread in existence."
by EREALLY GUD DEFUNITION MAKUR November 11, 2004
Amazing how many posts fit this description, and rarely from those accused of being one.
Some are not here to discuss. Instead they're here to shout down, belittle, and insult others to make themselves feel good. Rudeness is the weak persons imitation of strength.
Scientists are unionized? Usually professional people are not members of a union but these are government scientists so anything is possible I suppose.
"It's certainly not like my normal day at work," he said with a laugh. "It was pretty remarkable, and it was a pleasure to be able to do it."
That's how a senior research scientist from Environment Canada, Greg Flato, described the experience of finally being allowed to brief the premiers and prime minister on up to date climate science and then be permitted to appear at a press conference and actually answer questions.
Scientists being allowed to brief elected officials on science. Pretty remarkable indeed.
Canada warming at twice the global rate, scientists tell premiers conference - Politics - CBC News
That's how a senior research scientist from Environment Canada, Greg Flato, described the experience of finally being allowed to brief the premiers and prime minister on up to date climate science and then be permitted to appear at a press conference and actually answer questions.
Scientists being allowed to brief elected officials on science. Pretty remarkable indeed.
Canada warming at twice the global rate, scientists tell premiers conference - Politics - CBC News
Pretty quiet in sunny land.
Where’s the bark from Canada’s unmuzzled scientists? | BONOKOSKI | Columnists |
Where’s the bark from Canada’s unmuzzled scientists? | BONOKOSKI | Columnists |
Music to my ears
It depends on the placement in the chain of command on what can be said and what cannot be said,
Scientists placement is a whole different story
It depends on the placement in the chain of command on what can be said and what cannot be said,
Scientists placement is a whole different story
Mark Bonokoski, a Sun journalist, wrote this absurd piece yesterday on why are all those unmuzzled scientists not barking, or whatever.
The entire article doesn't seem to have much of a point beyond being grumpy, and can be summed up by some of it's last paragraphs:
To put it simply, most efforts and work in scientific research go into either reaffirming things we already know (which isn't sexy enough for headlines) or testing theories, often unsuccessfully (which isn't as exciting as if they are "proven") - yet all of it is vital work. If you box scientists into getting out "screaming headlines," you're only hurting the quality of research being done, because funding becomes tied to whoever can interest the most editors. That is not the best way to ensure science is done and we actually learn something, it's done to help someone's bottom line.
Besides, the issue with Harper's silence of federal scientists wasn't simply about producing headlines and releasing info the media, though that was a big issue - it was also about being able to share data among each other, about the actual focus of funding for research, and of course about the government actually heeding their advice on scientific issues. The Harper government pressed down on the scientific community with a weighted hand often because it didn't like what it heard out of it. Bonokoski only saw part of that in relation to his own job, so imagine how much pressure would've been felt for the people actually employed by the former government.
Which, by the way, should've be enough for him to have scrapped the entire article because of how truly awful and stupid those related experiences were. Bonokoski and other Sun conservatives always crow about government bureaucracy, but in that article alone he doesn't treat it very seriously does he.
As to whether or not Canadian scientists actually are producing headlines, I think the better question is why Bonokoski isn't out there finding them?
These people haven't stopped publishing new data and findings, Canadian scientists constantly put out papers. There's also the fact that a lot of federal scientists probably produce reports in house for ministries, not public consumption.
But all it takes is a Google search or simply reaching out. Bonokoski is the journalist here complaining about the lack of headlines - yet how many probably await him? I've found plenty with the first link in a Google search.
The entire article doesn't seem to have much of a point beyond being grumpy, and can be summed up by some of it's last paragraphs:
So what is it now? It has been almost 10 months since the election, and almost as long since the muzzles on Canada’s 4,000 scientists were removed by the Liberals.
Surely there is something these scientists can collectively say to qualify their years of outcry, and produce at least one screaming headline during the dog days of summer.
Bonokoski is a news guy, and it shows, because science is not about producing "screaming headlines" - his job is to do that, it is not science's. Science is more often harmed by the idea that they must produce headlines to legitimize their work.Surely there is something these scientists can collectively say to qualify their years of outcry, and produce at least one screaming headline during the dog days of summer.
To put it simply, most efforts and work in scientific research go into either reaffirming things we already know (which isn't sexy enough for headlines) or testing theories, often unsuccessfully (which isn't as exciting as if they are "proven") - yet all of it is vital work. If you box scientists into getting out "screaming headlines," you're only hurting the quality of research being done, because funding becomes tied to whoever can interest the most editors. That is not the best way to ensure science is done and we actually learn something, it's done to help someone's bottom line.
Besides, the issue with Harper's silence of federal scientists wasn't simply about producing headlines and releasing info the media, though that was a big issue - it was also about being able to share data among each other, about the actual focus of funding for research, and of course about the government actually heeding their advice on scientific issues. The Harper government pressed down on the scientific community with a weighted hand often because it didn't like what it heard out of it. Bonokoski only saw part of that in relation to his own job, so imagine how much pressure would've been felt for the people actually employed by the former government.
Which, by the way, should've be enough for him to have scrapped the entire article because of how truly awful and stupid those related experiences were. Bonokoski and other Sun conservatives always crow about government bureaucracy, but in that article alone he doesn't treat it very seriously does he.
As to whether or not Canadian scientists actually are producing headlines, I think the better question is why Bonokoski isn't out there finding them?
These people haven't stopped publishing new data and findings, Canadian scientists constantly put out papers. There's also the fact that a lot of federal scientists probably produce reports in house for ministries, not public consumption.
But all it takes is a Google search or simply reaching out. Bonokoski is the journalist here complaining about the lack of headlines - yet how many probably await him? I've found plenty with the first link in a Google search.